Peter Schiff last night: Martial law is coming

[Mini-Me]

+1

"Citizen's Band"
Our bandwidth of radio. Nice.
I can see it now...

--
Breaker 1-9..., Need assistance, 5 hostile baby bears and a bradley, 20 is 3rd Ave and 4th North, Copy
--
Copy that, 15 friendlies, 3 trans, ETA 5, Northwest Southeast 20
--
Negative, bear in the weeds, advised Northeast Southwest 20
Copy
--
Roger that, advised, ETA Niner

~

Too bad all the dhs hardened communication systems they've been installing for years now can interfere with just about anything.

They got all the bases covered. It's all set up pretty damn cleverly. Think about it... The president creates a communication black out when he travels down the road, all civilian communication towers/installations stand down or get interfered. Think about the integrated systems required to do that.... Do your own research.

As far as the internet, it's not that they take the internet down, it's that they tell the carriers to stand down. You ever looked into the construction of the main internet hubs? Jesus Christ, they have man traps, flame throwers, automated capture systems, machinery intended to kill persons who attempt to break in, overkill chemical fire extinguishing systems, noxious and poison gas security systems, and is integrated into power generation and distribution systems. Sometimes I wonder if SkyNet is already live and it is fortifying itself... You don't hear much about AI development now, unlike the 80's, for a reason? Do your own research. Singularity forthcoming?

Well, the biggest reason the buzz about AI development dropped off was because researchers made overly optimistic predictions and then felt like idiots, and they've stayed a lot more low-key since realizing just how complex problems like speech recognition, speech synthesis, natural language recognition, and image and pattern recognition are...they've still made a lot of progress in those fields, and in specific contexts, they can work very well. Technology is definitely at the point where automated guns can recognize the presence of intruders and kill them, for instance - probably even specific intruders - but AI has a LOOOONG way to go before it will even come to anything resembling creativity in problem solving, let alone self-assigned motivations and actual sentience. There's still a lot of debate as to whether that's even possible. Of course, guys like Ray Kurzweil will insist that it's not only possible but forthcoming, but...frankly, regardless of how much more he knows about AI than I do, I think his near-religious fascination with the concept of a technological singularity is a bit warped anyway.

Technology is definitely a huge asset that any governmental tyrant has, but...our aspiring overlords are still very much human.

Think who owns most of the fiber network... Att. And who owns the rest of it? All the other big telecoms and mainstream educational institutes. The corporate rulers own it all. Even if you have a lesser known ISP, they are buying it from someone else, one of the big guys. They will just shut you off like nothing when chaos comes. Internet2 is coming thereafter, and unless we create some infrastructure in the name of Freedom specifically for We The People, then there is nothing we can do. We get what we are given. Now SHUT UP, SLAVE, this is China now. Do your own research.

They are ready folks. The NSA alone has been the biggest purchaser of computer equipment and computer parts for many years. Hell, they even work with the big name hardware/software manufacturers to make things not available to the public for them and have backdoors in place for the products they sell to the public. There is no privacy. There is a backdoor into anything pretty much. We already live in 1984. Do your own research.

You mentioned backdoors in software, and this is worth addressing, because it's a problem we can easily get around. In fact, it's actually one of the reasons I moved away from Microsoft products: I simply don't trust their operating system to respect my privacy (although right now, I'm actually typing from a Windows machine, ironically). If you're worried about backdoors, the best way to go is to use open source software (GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, etc.).

Of course, that won't prevent your Internet communications from being monitored at the ISP level or cut off or something like that...but as long as the Internet remains, there are certainly various projects being developed to create pseudonymous networks with layered public-key encryption. (Then again, a truly totalitarian state would simply shut down the Internet, outlaw any encryption, and/or hunt down every single person on the network, even if they don't know who on the network is actually contacting whom or what they're sending. The only networks immune to the latter strategy are exclusive friend-to-friend networks...and they still require encryption to be legal and for the Internet to be up and running).

They just haven't dropped the hammer and let us know we live in a 1984 type society yet and that we need to love Big Brother. Until they say we live there, it's just a matter of perception I guess. Ignorance is bliss I do imagine.

Victory Gin for everyone! The surge is working! We're winning the Iraq war!

Anyway, you're still right about the main idea. We live in an Orwellian society, and it's going to get much, much worse...I'm definitely looking into rereading this thread and everyone's suggestions to prepare for a worst case scenario.

 

[Conza88]

Maybe we could all wear our tin foil hats so that we recognize each other.

Here is yours.

The pickle is a metaphor.​

 

[reduen]

Maybe we could all wear our tin foil hats so that we recognize each other.

Ha! (A loud boisterous laugh here..)

Now that right there is funny, I don't care who ya are...

 

[Mini-Me]

A story like that sure captures the imagination. Creativity and rationality don't always mix. So allow to inject a bit of rationality to that piece:

I doubt a Marine Drill Sarge would have access to information like that. A Drill Sergeant deals with alot of civilians compared to other MOS', IMO they couldn't be totally trusted with that kind of information. Then towards the end of the page they begin talking about patriotic Christian warriors of God... I'm totally not bashing on them or their religious dispositions, but people like that just tend to think in extremes.

"We are the Just and the Righteous Warriors of God, and they want to throw us all into giant microwaves."

All I know is if any kind of Martial Law would actually be implemented to suppress the American people. The entire military foundation would break apart. First of all, the logistics in carrying out an operation like that are just not possible, no matter how many zones you break the theater down to. There would also be defections at all ranks, leaving alot of divisions ineffective.

I suspect mercenaries and other private military organizations would be involved. Frankly, every single one us hate those guys with a passion. Marines on to the Guard, there is absolutely no respect for 'Blackwater' or any one like them. We would not only refuse to work alongside them or accept orders from them, there would probably shots exchanged.

Foreign occupation to help the government in Martial Law would also only help to unite those true Patriots and give them a larger and more believable enemy, an image which the average person could get behind.

All in all I am very optimistic about the outcomes of a Martial Law situation. Of course that is a last ditch resort, and no one hopes it comes to that. But to look at our current situation and at least, you know, not think about such things would be pretty irresponsible.

Well...the most important question I would ask is this: What exactly makes American soldiers different from the Germans during World War II, the Soviet soldiers, the East German soldiers, and so on who all subjugated their own populations? The reason those soldiers went along with orders is twofold:
First, humans have a natural tendency to submit to authority - and for soldiers, this holds true even more so, because it takes a very strong will to go against so many years of obedience training and practice. Second, propaganda works wonders on people. Although we have a strong tradition of liberty, that's pretty much been drowned out by the propaganda...and as much as I hope you're right and hope there's something special and unique about America, I seriously doubt US propaganda will have any less effect on most soldiers than other countries' propaganda had on their soldiers.

 

[TGautier421]

Well...the most important question I would ask is this: What exactly makes American soldiers different from the Germans during World War II, the Soviet soldiers, the East German soldiers, and so on who all subjugated their own populations? The reason those soldiers went along with orders is twofold:
First, humans have a natural tendency to submit to authority - and for soldiers, this holds true even more so, because it takes a very strong will to go against so many years of obedience training and practice. Second, propaganda works wonders on people. Although we have a strong tradition of liberty, that's pretty much been drowned out by the propaganda...and as much as I hope you're right and hope there's something special and unique about America, I seriously doubt US propaganda will have any less effect on most soldiers than other countries' propaganda had on their soldiers.

America is truly the most unique country in the world still, I believe. Just because the tentacles of the international banks happened to succeed in getting into our country once again, doesn't mean we haven't lost any sense of who we are as a culture. We are the only country to embrace an ideology, liberty, so much as to put it before everything else. We are the rebels, just look at our ancestry. Repelled from ordinary society in their motherland, or just wishing for an honest and free beginning. We have our own sports, food, and way of life. We have always paved our own legacy for ourselves. Not some corporate suits thinking they control us.

 

[RideTheDirt]

America is truly the most unique country in the world still, I believe. Just because the tentacles of the international banks happened to succeed in getting into our country once again, doesn't mean we haven't lost any sense of who we are as a culture. We are the only country to embrace an ideology, liberty, so much as to put it before everything else. We are the rebels, just look at our ancestry. Repelled from ordinary society in their motherland, or just wishing for an honest and free beginning. We have our own sports, food, and way of life. We have always paved our own legacy for ourselves. Not some corporate suits thinking they control us.

I think you are right. I also think we must stand up soon. We must stay vigilant, for our task is overwhelming but the people who love liberty will prevail. I know that this is not just a Ron Paul Revolution, because a man did not start this, it was liberty, and the love for it. We have it in our blood. We must let it be known, that their is a choice for America, we can choose freedom or slavery. What will we pick?

Only time will tell.

 

[daviddee]

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[TGautier421]

Government would not take down the Internet.

It would make a bad situation much, much worse as the Internet is not an entertainment vehicle.... it is a commerce vehicle.

So during a crumbling economy it would be like blowing the bridges and highways of your own country.... suicide.

The centralized government we have needs:

1. Stability
2. Commerce (employment - money flow)
3. Happiness of the slaves

#3 can not happen without #1 & #2

As someone who created a hosting company and sold out to a major player... The major fiber players are: Level3, Global Crossing, Timewarner, ATT, uuNET, etc. These are all private companies that need cash flowing. The lawsuits would be massive and the resistance would be even higher. If you do not know network admins they are the most passive aggressive/self important people you will ever meet. Trust me... Internet will not be taken down.

This.

In a time of Martial Law, the internet will be heavily regulated. I would suspect websites like these would be tracked. It would be wise to download an onion routing program and a few proxy converter programs.

 

[daviddee]

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[phoenixrising]

beyond ham radios???

I think I've still got my USRobotics 14.4 Sportster in the attic! I bet the damn thing still works too... Shit, it's ISA though. Modems are cheap though.

werrd, funk & tpreitzel....u guys r REALLY onto something--all kidding aside. yet what saddens me is i haven't a clue what u r talking about. the only thing that made sense so far was a ham radio

if everyone could get serious on this...THIS is a well needed topic to develop!!

can u guys elaborate ???

 

[phoenixrising]

wow, I'm literally convinced the average person's brain is eaten away from drinking to much fluoride.

I show them the video of Brad Sherman and they are just like meh, I don't know much about it.

Or...crazy man.

I mean like total frigging zombies. And my parents are totally clueless. As long as my dad gets to watch his football and my mom gets her dancing with her stars they are fine. I have to be the one to protect the family. Ordered 2 years of food 6thousand dollars worth of silver bullion, a top notch water filter, and various other things and no one will freaking help me. I have very limited means too; I just got out of college. God this is frustrating to have to do all this alone.

kudos!!! GREAT JOB & initiative!!!!!

seriously...get them off the water...& start using your h2o filter system now!! (berkey lets u order a special filter JUST for flouride)

must be verrry frustrating for you!!

 

[TruckinMike]

For those of you that do not Know... Computer communications, via ham radio have been going on for years. Its called Packet Radio. Check it out.

My ham radio...
Alinco DX-70TH 100 watts

I've had this radio for ten years. Its a great radio for the money. $1000. However, if you really want performance the amount you will spend goes up exponentially. The DX-70 has treated me well with a simple di-pole (wire strung between trees) antenna. I would recommend it for any beginner Ham, or survivalist retreat. -- This radio transmits in the "HF" and 6 meter range. Get your license, start now. Its easy.

Where do I start? American Radio Relay League

...What Amateur Radio licenses are available?

Technician Class License. You can get an entry level Amateur Radio Technician license by passing a 35-question multiple-choice examination. No Morse code test is required. The exam covers basic regulations, operating practices, and electronics theory, with a focus on VHF and UHF applications.

Technician Class operators are authorized to use all amateur VHF and UHF frequencies (all frequencies above 50 MHz). Technicians also may operate on the 80, 40, and 15 meter HF bands using Morse code, and on the 10 meter band using Morse code, voice, and digital modes. No Morse code test is required.

General Class License. The General Class license offers a giant step up in operating privileges. The high-power HF privileges granted to General licensees allow for cross-country and worldwide communication.

Technicians may upgrade to General by passing a 35-question multiple-choice examination. The written exam covers intermediate regulations, operating practices, and electronics theory, with a focus on HF applications. You must successfully pass the Technician exam to be eligible to sit for the General class exam. No Morse code test is required.
Note: spend one weekend studying with a question/answer study guide and you'll pass the test with flying colors, its not hard.These tests are a snap.And if you are really adventurous, take the technician and General class test in the same day, that way you'll be legal for voice HF transmissions.

TMike

 

[werdd]

For those of you that do not Know... Computer communications, via ham radio have been going on for years. Its called Packet Radio. Check it out.

My ham radio...
Alinco DX-70TH 100 watts

I've had this radio for ten years. Its a great radio for the money. $1000. However, if you really want performance the amount you will spend goes up exponentially. The DX-70 has treated me well with a simple di-pole (wire strung between trees) antenna. I would recommend it for any beginner Ham, or survivalist retreat. -- This radio transmits in the "HF" and 6 meter range. Get your license, start now. Its easy.

Where do I start? American Radio Relay League

...What Amateur Radio licenses are available?

Technician Class License. You can get an entry level Amateur Radio Technician license by passing a 35-question multiple-choice examination. No Morse code test is required. The exam covers basic regulations, operating practices, and electronics theory, with a focus on VHF and UHF applications.

Technician Class operators are authorized to use all amateur VHF and UHF frequencies (all frequencies above 50 MHz). Technicians also may operate on the 80, 40, and 15 meter HF bands using Morse code, and on the 10 meter band using Morse code, voice, and digital modes. No Morse code test is required.

General Class License. The General Class license offers a giant step up in operating privileges. The high-power HF privileges granted to General licensees allow for cross-country and worldwide communication.

Technicians may upgrade to General by passing a 35-question multiple-choice examination. The written exam covers intermediate regulations, operating practices, and electronics theory, with a focus on HF applications. You must successfully pass the Technician exam to be eligible to sit for the General class exam. No Morse code test is required.
Note: spend one weekend studying with a question/answer study guide and you'll pass the test with flying colors, its not hard.These tests are a snap.And if you are really adventurous, take the technician and General class test in the same day, that way you'll be legal for voice HF transmissions.

TMike

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet

 

[werdd]

Do some HAM radios actually have an ethernet interface?? Could i put a router behind it?

What is the range??

 

[TruckinMike]

Do some HAM radios actually have an ethernet interface?? Could i put a router behind it?

What is the range??

In todays world, i would not doubt that some ham clubs have done that. But it is most likely to be experimental.

What is the range?

Its Subjective. If you are working over a repeater network you could conceivably work thousands of miles. I've spoken all the way to England via repeaters, via the internet, back to a repeater to hams in England with a 300 milliwatt handheld 2 meter radio. The same could be done with the computer. However, I've never had personal experience with packet radio. But it is quite wide spread. I know that there are stations in the houston area that link up all the time.

Get with a local ham club in your area, they will steer you in the right direction.

TMike

 

[FunkBuddha]

Sometimes in life,we have to make a stand.It is what makes us human.
I am only 44,and only twice in my life, i have had to make a stand on principal.
I lost.Both times.My pride,and the knowlege that i was right however,lets me live with the losses.
Even knowing what i know now,i would not change my positions.


I heard a saying once,something like,"I would rather die on my feet,as a man,then to die on my knees as a slave".
All i ask from my creator,whether it be god,or random chance,is that i die on my feet.

To quote a Tupac song.

A coward dies a thousand deaths, a soldier dies but once.

Damn, I get all choked up just thinking about that quote.

 

[Mini-Me]

Yes, now that is a wise suggestion.

The concerns voiced in this thread can be solved with software.

A VPN account in Europe, onionrouter, etc etc.

One problem with this is that international communications are the ones that will be most heavily monitored and filtered, China-style.

Plus, onion routers are nice, but TOR is only an outproxy network, which is inherently vulnerable to attacks by compromised outproxies, especially if there are a lot of them and especially if they're colluding with ISP's, etc. That said, end-to-end encrypted channels can be used to defend against these kind of attacks, since the outproxy won't actually know the content of the message. On the other hand, I2P is a self-contained network layer that can include outproxies, but I2P client/servers contain a directory of users called NetDB. Nobody knows which member is ultimately communicating with whom (or at least it's very difficult to tell) or what they're saying, but my concern is that the I2P NetDB could be easily used to just get a list of everyone on the network so everyone can be tracked down and "shipped away," thereby taking down the network as a whole. They'll use the whole, "If you don't have anything to hide..." excuse. Under a totalitarian regime, I imagine I2P users will have a big red target over their heads - though I'd love to find out I'm mistaken from someone who knows more about I2P than me. In any case, I2P is still unfinished software anyway...

Most of this is probably a moot point though. Under a totalitarian government, strong encryption will probably be outlawed anyway, drastically reducing the usefulness of anonymizing/pseudonymizing networks like TOR and I2P. Even friend-to-friend networks (which don't share the problems I see with I2P's NetDB) could be monitored at the ISP level if encryption is forbidden.

 

[gilliganscorner]

Hi Folks,

Yes, I am going to yammer on again about the same thing.

You guys are talking about stockpiling and provisioning but in an isolated fashion - at an individual level, and this is goodness.

However, you need to start thinking about what are you going to do when you cannot trade for the things you don't have. A market for yourselves if you will. Establish contacts through this site is a start:

http://www.freemarketforliberty.com/ - Setup by RPF member Social Engineer.

Build your agorist network. <-- Hopefully this link will start the creative juices flowing

Wishing you good luck, but if you're prepared, hopefully you will won't need it.

 

[AlabamaWildMan]

Come to washington state everyone and lets protect each other...

We have Friends there and they've offered to let us do just that.
That offer sounds better-than-ever...after this day has come-to-pass.

 

[tpreitzel]

For those of you that do not Know... Computer communications, via ham radio have been going on for years. Its called Packet Radio. Check it out.

My ham radio...
Alinco DX-70TH 100 watts

I've had this radio for ten years. Its a great radio for the money. $1000. However, if you really want performance the amount you will spend goes up exponentially. The DX-70 has treated me well with a simple di-pole (wire strung between trees) antenna. I would recommend it for any beginner Ham, or survivalist retreat. -- This radio transmits in the "HF" and 6 meter range. Get your license, start now. Its easy.

Where do I start? American Radio Relay League

...What Amateur Radio licenses are available?

Technician Class License. You can get an entry level Amateur Radio Technician license by passing a 35-question multiple-choice examination. No Morse code test is required. The exam covers basic regulations, operating practices, and electronics theory, with a focus on VHF and UHF applications.

Technician Class operators are authorized to use all amateur VHF and UHF frequencies (all frequencies above 50 MHz). Technicians also may operate on the 80, 40, and 15 meter HF bands using Morse code, and on the 10 meter band using Morse code, voice, and digital modes. No Morse code test is required.

General Class License. The General Class license offers a giant step up in operating privileges. The high-power HF privileges granted to General licensees allow for cross-country and worldwide communication.

Technicians may upgrade to General by passing a 35-question multiple-choice examination. The written exam covers intermediate regulations, operating practices, and electronics theory, with a focus on HF applications. You must successfully pass the Technician exam to be eligible to sit for the General class exam. No Morse code test is required.
Note: spend one weekend studying with a question/answer study guide and you'll pass the test with flying colors, its not hard.These tests are a snap.And if you are really adventurous, take the technician and General class test in the same day, that way you'll be legal for voice HF transmissions.

TMike

Sure, but the problem with ALL of these suggestions is FCC control. How do we communicate beyond what the government says is legal? When fascism arrives in force, NO dissenter of the establishment will be allowed to freely communicate. With everyone chipped, how will you evade detection so you can communicate freely? These hurdles need to be overcome. Can packet radio (RF) be used outside of FCC regulations? Sure, but for how long? Mobility and lack of detection is the key. How can we setup anonymous networks which are mobile and not easily detectable? Line-of-Sight (LOS) optics (IR) are probably one of the most secure methods for local communications. I still haven't come to a definitive answer after thinking about this subject periodically for years.

I sure wish Nikola Tesla were alive today and working with optics.