Peter Schiff last night: Martial law is coming

Really? I'm only in the National Guard, so I don't have a totally complete picture, but damn near everyone I know of in my town (Lawrence KS) are, well, if not aware they at least know something strange is going on. This is a pretty free thinking town of nearly all college students. I feel pretty confident in our abilities to keep liberty alive here long enough. I'm speaking for alot of my buds in all the branches here as well.

For one thing, I'm not totally sold on some states even allowing federal troops into their territory, or those same states to hand over control of their own Guardsmen to the President.
 
Tell that to the 80 or so children and women burned to death at Waco. It only takes a small percentage of the millitary to do your bidding.

That's not even comparable to what we're talking about here. What we're talking about here is the suppression of the entire United States, of all 300 Million people in this country. Its just not feasible at all. Logistics would totally crumble after a couple of days.
 
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the logistical problem can be solved with a "healthy" dose of tv...
 
camping gear, and be able to be mobile in a short amount of time,along with weapons,food, water and purification system for water,and solar batteries and solar charger,and sw radio,that would be a good start.......we need to organize to figure out broadcast stations all over the US in case the Internet goes down
 
Hope it never comes to that , so many people would suffer...our goverment should be in jail,,like MCnCheese says the fundamentals are good......lol
 
Really? I'm only in the National Guard, so I don't have a totally complete picture, but damn near everyone I know of in my town (Lawrence KS) are, well, if not aware they at least know something strange is going on. This is a pretty free thinking town of nearly all college students. I feel pretty confident in our abilities to keep liberty alive here long enough. I'm speaking for alot of my buds in all the branches here as well.

For one thing, I'm not totally sold on some states even allowing federal troops into their territory, or those same states to hand over control of their own Guardsmen to the President.

It is kinda strange that I just got this link via email and really I have no way of knowing if this information is very credible but you might look it over real quick and see what ya think...

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/new_world_order/news.php?q=1211926978
 
That's not even comparable to what we're talking about here. What we're talking about here is the suppression of the entire United States, of all 300 Million people in this country. Its just not feasible at all. Logistics would totally crumble after a couple of days.

That's assuming 300 million people are "not cooperating". Starving people, especially ones used to luxury and easy-living (particularly city-dwellers), would sell their souls for an MRE passed out by the government. They would not only be cooperative, but thankful. In fact, those same starving people would even HELP the government suppress dissent, especially if there's a "bonus" in it for them.

I do believe they may have trouble disarming the old goats around here who are as redneck as they come. But they can do that in stages. They can institute "food for guns" programs, dangle all sorts of carrots in front of the people, etc.

The leash-holders will not voluntarily loose control. They have worked out ways of dealing with these types of things. Katrina was one recent "test case", and another poster brought up Waco.

You'll also find that people will be GLUED to their TVs as never before, sucking in everything the gubmint tells 'em, and the talking heads will quickly paint dissenters as "radicals", or even "terrorists" who hate America. "Insurgents" rather than "freedom fighters."

The internet will be censored in an unprecedented manner, and the alternative media will not be permitted to "do their thing" This is vital for their success, and I guarantee they have prepared for it.

Remember the "Timothy McVeigh-ish" comments about those who oppose this bill?

Remember Glenn Beck's infamous call for the military to take care of RP supporters?

I believe they will allow things to get a wee-bit out of hand, to put the fear of God into people, and then they'll come riding to the rescue amid the cheers of the populous.

All we can do now is wait and see.
 
From Chuck Baldwin

What I would be most worried about is a U.N. or any foreign army doing the job for a global government.

Our armed services are so spread out abroad that even if they really wanted to help us Americans they might have terrible problems returning in time to do anything.

I am glad that you have come to the decision of not harming your fellow Americans but honestly I do not have much faith that the majority of your fellow soldiers will make the same choice when it comes down to it...

U.S. Army Troops To Serve As U.S. Policemen?
> > By Chuck Baldwin
> > October 1, 2008
> >
> >
> > This column is archived at
> > http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2008/cbarchive_20081001.html
> >
> >
> > According to the Army Times (dated Tuesday, September 30, 2008),
> "Beginning
> > Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT [Brigade Combat Team] will be under the
> > day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of
> > Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or
> > manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks."
> >
> > The article continued by saying, "But this new mission marks the first
> time
> > an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint
> > command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal
> > homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil
> > authorities.
> >
> > "After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that
> > another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the
> > mission will be a permanent one."
> >
> > The Times column also reported that the Army brigade "may be called upon
> to
> > help with civil unrest and crowd control . . ." It seems that the Army's
> new
> > domestic duties also include "traffic control" as well as subduing "unruly
> > or dangerous individuals."
> >
> > The brigade will be known for the next year as a Consequence Management
> > Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced "sea-smurf").
> >
> > I am assuming that the planners and promoters of this newfound function
> for
> > the Army brigade envision the Army assisting local first responders in
> > dealing with natural emergencies such as hurricanes, earthquakes, and the
> > like. Good intentions notwithstanding, to assign domestic police duties to
> > the U.S. military is extremely disturbing.
> >
> > To understand my concern for this new "homeland Army brigade," it is
> > important that we rehearse the principles of liberty as they relate to
> > standing armies.
> >
> > One of America's most sacred principles has always been that the U.S.
> > military was never to be used for domestic law enforcement. The fear of
> > standing armies ran very deep in the hearts and minds of America's
> founders.
> > The tyranny and misery inflicted upon the colonies by British troops
> weighed
> > heavily upon those who drafted our Constitution and Bill of Rights. In
> their
> > minds, the American people would never again be subjected to the heavy
> > weight of army boots. Furthermore, they insisted that America would have a
> > civilian--not military--government.
> >
> > And after the fiasco of the abuse of federal troops in the South following
> > the War Between the States, the doctrine of Posse Comitatus was enacted
> into
> > law. The Wikipedia online encyclopedia says this about Posse Comitatus:
> >
> > "The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services ... from
> > exercising nominally state law enforcement police or peace officer powers
> > that maintain 'law and order' on non-federal property. . . .
> >
> > "The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of
> the
> > United States National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law
> > enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly
> > authorized by the Constitution or Congress. . . .
> >
> > "The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act substantially limit the
> > powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement."
> >
> > The Posse Comitatus Act was passed in 1878 and was universally accepted as
> > being a very just--and extremely important--law of the land.
> >
> > But in 2006, President George W. Bush pushed a Republican-controlled
> > Congress to pass the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for
> > Fiscal Year 2007, which included a section titled "Use of the Armed Forces
> > in major public emergencies." This section provided that "The President
> may
> > employ the armed forces to restore public order in any State of the United
> > States the President determines...." In effect, this bill obliterated
> Posse
> > Comitatus.
> >
> > When the Democrat-controlled Congress passed the 2008 National Defense
> > Authorization Act, however, the restrictions of Posse Comitatus were
> > restored. But when President Bush signed the Act into law, he attached a
> > signing statement (Executive Order) indicating that the Executive Branch
> did
> > not feel bound by the changes enacted by the repeal. Translated: President
> > Bush wiped out Posse Comitatus by Executive Order.
> >
> > Now, just a few months after expunging Posse Comitatus, President Bush has
> > authorized an Army brigade to be assigned the new role of dealing
> > exclusively with domestic law enforcement and related duties. This evokes
> > serious questions.
> >
> > Who will give the order to send U.S. troops against American civilians,
> and
> > under what circumstances? What will the rules of engagement be? How will
> > "unruly" and "dangerous" be defined? How will soldiers be asked to deal
> with
> > "crowd" or "traffic" control? And perhaps the biggest question is, Once we
> > begin to go down this road, where will it lead?
> >
> > For several years, the federal government has been accumulating to itself
> > more and more authority that was historically understood to reside within
> > the states and local communities. More and more, our police departments
> have
> > taken on the image and tactics of the armed forces. And to a greater and
> > greater degree, the rights and liberties of the American people are being
> > sacrificed on the altar of "national security." It seems to me that to now
> > ascribe law enforcement duties to the U.S. Army only serves to augment the
> > argument that America is fast approaching police state status.
> >
> > If Hurricane Katrina is the template that our federal government is using
> as
> > a model for future events, Heaven help us! Do readers remember how
> National
> > Guard troops were used to confiscate the personal firearms of isolated and
> > vulnerable civilians shortly after that hurricane devastated the New
> Orleans
> > area? Do you remember how representatives of the federal government were
> > calling upon pastors and ministers to act as spokesmen for gun
> confiscation?
> > Is this what the new Army brigade is preparing for? And do President Bush
> > and his military planners envision an even broader role for military
> troops
> > on American soil?
> >
> > Add to the above rumors of thousands of plastic caskets--along with
> > thousands of portable prison cells--being shipped and stored across the
> > country, and one is left to ask, Exactly what is it that our federal
> > government is planning?
I think there is an even bigger question, What exactly will members of our
armed forces do if and when they are commanded to seize Americans'
firearms, arrest them at gun point, or even fire upon them? How many soldiers and
Marines love liberty and constitutional government enough to resist such
orders, should they be given? And how many officers would resist issuing
such orders?

Remember, it is the job of the armed forces to kill people and blow up
things, not to do police work. Then again, Presidential administrations from both major parties have been using the U.S. military as U.N.
"peacekeepers" for decades now. So, was all of this preparation for what is yet to take
place in the United States?
God forbid that any of the above should actually take place in our beloved
land, but I believe it would be naĂŻve to not see that the actions and
attitudes of the federal government over the past several years do nothing
to assuage such fears.



U.S. Army Troops To Serve As U.S. Policemen?
> > By Chuck Baldwin
> > October 1, 2008
> >
> >
> > This column is archived at
> > http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2008/cbarchive_20081001.html
> >
> >
> > According to the Army Times (dated Tuesday, September 30, 2008),
> "Beginning
> > Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT [Brigade Combat Team] will be under the
> > day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of
> > Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or
> > manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks."
> >
> > The article continued by saying, "But this new mission marks the first
> time
> > an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint
> > command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal
> > homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil
> > authorities.
> >
> > "After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that
> > another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the
> > mission will be a permanent one."
> >
> > The Times column also reported that the Army brigade "may be called upon
> to
> > help with civil unrest and crowd control . . ." It seems that the Army's
> new
> > domestic duties also include "traffic control" as well as subduing "unruly
> > or dangerous individuals."
> >
> > The brigade will be known for the next year as a Consequence Management
> > Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced "sea-smurf").
> >
> > I am assuming that the planners and promoters of this newfound function
> for
> > the Army brigade envision the Army assisting local first responders in
> > dealing with natural emergencies such as hurricanes, earthquakes, and the
> > like. Good intentions notwithstanding, to assign domestic police duties to
> > the U.S. military is extremely disturbing.
> >
> > To understand my concern for this new "homeland Army brigade," it is
> > important that we rehearse the principles of liberty as they relate to
> > standing armies.
> >
> > One of America's most sacred principles has always been that the U.S.
> > military was never to be used for domestic law enforcement. The fear of
> > standing armies ran very deep in the hearts and minds of America's
> founders.
> > The tyranny and misery inflicted upon the colonies by British troops
> weighed
> > heavily upon those who drafted our Constitution and Bill of Rights. In
> their
> > minds, the American people would never again be subjected to the heavy
> > weight of army boots. Furthermore, they insisted that America would have a
> > civilian--not military--government.
> >
> > And after the fiasco of the abuse of federal troops in the South following
> > the War Between the States, the doctrine of Posse Comitatus was enacted
> into
> > law. The Wikipedia online encyclopedia says this about Posse Comitatus:
> >
> > "The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services ... from
> > exercising nominally state law enforcement police or peace officer powers
> > that maintain 'law and order' on non-federal property. . . .
> >
> > "The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of
> the
> > United States National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law
> > enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly
> > authorized by the Constitution or Congress. . . .
> >
> > "The Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act substantially limit the
> > powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement."
> >
> > The Posse Comitatus Act was passed in 1878 and was universally accepted as
> > being a very just--and extremely important--law of the land.
> >
> > But in 2006, President George W. Bush pushed a Republican-controlled
> > Congress to pass the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for
> > Fiscal Year 2007, which included a section titled "Use of the Armed Forces
> > in major public emergencies." This section provided that "The President
> may
> > employ the armed forces to restore public order in any State of the United
> > States the President determines...." In effect, this bill obliterated
> Posse
> > Comitatus.
> >
> > When the Democrat-controlled Congress passed the 2008 National Defense
> > Authorization Act, however, the restrictions of Posse Comitatus were
> > restored. But when President Bush signed the Act into law, he attached a
> > signing statement (Executive Order) indicating that the Executive Branch
> did
> > not feel bound by the changes enacted by the repeal. Translated: President
> > Bush wiped out Posse Comitatus by Executive Order.
> >
> > Now, just a few months after expunging Posse Comitatus, President Bush has
> > authorized an Army brigade to be assigned the new role of dealing
> > exclusively with domestic law enforcement and related duties. This evokes
> > serious questions.
> >
> > Who will give the order to send U.S. troops against American civilians,
> and
> > under what circumstances? What will the rules of engagement be? How will
> > "unruly" and "dangerous" be defined? How will soldiers be asked to deal
> with
> > "crowd" or "traffic" control? And perhaps the biggest question is, Once we
> > begin to go down this road, where will it lead?
> >
> > For several years, the federal government has been accumulating to itself
> > more and more authority that was historically understood to reside within
> > the states and local communities. More and more, our police departments
> have
> > taken on the image and tactics of the armed forces. And to a greater and
> > greater degree, the rights and liberties of the American people are being
> > sacrificed on the altar of "national security." It seems to me that to now
> > ascribe law enforcement duties to the U.S. Army only serves to augment the
> > argument that America is fast approaching police state status.
> >
> > If Hurricane Katrina is the template that our federal government is using
> as
> > a model for future events, Heaven help us! Do readers remember how
> National
> > Guard troops were used to confiscate the personal firearms of isolated and
> > vulnerable civilians shortly after that hurricane devastated the New
> Orleans
> > area? Do you remember how representatives of the federal government were
> > calling upon pastors and ministers to act as spokesmen for gun
> confiscation?
> > Is this what the new Army brigade is preparing for? And do President Bush
> > and his military planners envision an even broader role for military
> troops
> > on American soil?
> >
> > Add to the above rumors of thousands of plastic caskets--along with
> > thousands of portable prison cells--being shipped and stored across the
> > country, and one is left to ask, Exactly what is it that our federal
> > government is planning?
I think there is an even bigger question, What exactly will members of our
armed forces do if and when they are commanded to seize Americans'
firearms, arrest them at gun point, or even fire upon them? How many soldiers and
Marines love liberty and constitutional government enough to resist such
orders, should they be given? And how many officers would resist issuing
such orders?

Remember, it is the job of the armed forces to kill people and blow up
things, not to do police work. Then again, Presidential administrations from both major parties have been using the U.S. military as U.N.
"peacekeepers" for decades now. So, was all of this preparation for what is yet to take
place in the United States?
God forbid that any of the above should actually take place in our beloved
land, but I believe it would be naĂŻve to not see that the actions and
attitudes of the federal government over the past several years do nothing
to assuage such fears.
 
Strong words my friend but think of this, either way you are dead... Now do not get me wrong, I do not want to be a slave either.

I tend to believe that especially those who do not believe in our Creator God will not only turn tale and run from the danger but will also sell anyone and everyone out along the way when they are faced with real death. After all, once they are dead they are dead right. Here and now is all we have in their eyes....

No offense to you intended of course, I hope that you can stick to your convictions.


No offence taken brother,we are all in this together.
If truth be told,i do believe in GOD,however i do not want the prize.
I am a biblical scholar,raised in the Catholic tradition,and reborn in the reformation.

GOD promises me oblivion in the bible,and that is fair by me.
Therefore i do not fear death,rather my only concern is that i die well.
My son will carry on my immortality.
 
I like the ideas of people creating their own Adhoc networks. Using BBS as a backup plan would be good too. I guess PCs could just use Hyperterminal. I've got a built-in modem too (for faxes).

If things really got bad, the military service couldn't do too much to stop the people. There are just too many people.

This thread has gotten me thinking about what happened in the Depression. Didn't anyone at that time wonder if the creation of the Federal Reserve caused the Depression? If so, why didn't they repeal the FRA???


FF

Edit: BTW, I've got my own generator. Maybe a BIG solar cell with an Inverter might suffice for some of you. At least it would work during the daytime.
 
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That is the craziest bullshit i have ever read. :rolleyes: Not that some of that isn't true to some extent in my mind, but the interview with that marine is bogus, total propaganda.

Yeah, my initial reaction also but kinda sobering to think that it might be so...
 
Strong words my friend but think of this, either way you are dead... Now do not get me wrong, I do not want to be a slave either.

I tend to believe that especially those who do not believe in our Creator God will not only turn tale and run from the danger but will also sell anyone and everyone out along the way when they are faced with real death. After all, once they are dead they are dead right. Here and now is all we have in their eyes....

No offense to you intended of course, I hope that you can stick to your convictions.

That's a pretty unfair and biased view against non-believers. I'm not actually offended by it, but I do think you should reevaluate your assumptions and consider that other things besides a belief in God might motivate morality, love, and courage in people. The most reliably decent people in the world are the ones who do the right thing simply because they have empathy and compassion and know in their heart that it is right. The only people who actually need promises of an afterlife or fear of hell to do the right thing are the inherently selfish ones.

That said, I'm not actually an atheist...just saying. :p
 
It is kinda strange that I just got this link via email and really I have no way of knowing if this information is very credible but you might look it over real quick and see what ya think...

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/new_world_order/news.php?q=1211926978

A story like that sure captures the imagination. Creativity and rationality don't always mix. So allow to inject a bit of rationality to that piece:

I doubt a Marine Drill Sarge would have access to information like that. A Drill Sergeant deals with alot of civilians compared to other MOS', IMO they couldn't be totally trusted with that kind of information. Then towards the end of the page they begin talking about patriotic Christian warriors of God... I'm totally not bashing on them or their religious dispositions, but people like that just tend to think in extremes.

"We are the Just and the Righteous Warriors of God, and they want to throw us all into giant microwaves."

All I know is if any kind of Martial Law would actually be implemented to suppress the American people. The entire military foundation would break apart. First of all, the logistics in carrying out an operation like that are just not possible, no matter how many zones you break the theater down to. There would also be defections at all ranks, leaving alot of divisions ineffective.

I suspect mercenaries and other private military organizations would be involved. Frankly, every single one us hate those guys with a passion. Marines on to the Guard, there is absolutely no respect for 'Blackwater' or any one like them. We would not only refuse to work alongside them or accept orders from them, there would probably shots exchanged.

Foreign occupation to help the government in Martial Law would also only help to unite those true Patriots and give them a larger and more believable enemy, an image which the average person could get behind.

All in all I am very optimistic about the outcomes of a Martial Law situation. Of course that is a last ditch resort, and no one hopes it comes to that. But to look at our current situation and at least, you know, not think about such things would be pretty irresponsible.
 
That's a pretty unfair and biased view against non-believers. I'm not actually offended by it, but I do think you should reevaluate your assumptions and consider that other things besides a belief in God might motivate morality, love, and courage in people. The most reliably decent people in the world are the ones who do the right thing simply because they have empathy and compassion and know in their heart that it is right. The only people who actually need promises of an afterlife or fear of hell to do the right thing are the inherently selfish ones.

That said, I'm not actually an atheist...just saying. :p

You certainly have the right to your own opinion. Only time will bare us out on this disagreement for sure.

I would argue that everyone is inherently selfish in matters of life and death. Atheists might call it self preservation and/or natural selection..

Also, personally it does not take the promise of an afterlife or fear of hell for me to do the right thing. But it does take me knowing and acknowledging God. (Although in truth it may take just that for many.) It is my love for God the Creator and my Lord Jesus the Christ who taught me how to care for others that leads me in this manner. The afterlife is just a bonus now...

In short, I do not believe that I would have known what is right or wrong without finding God. (He is not hiding of course, I was only once blind..) :)
 
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