Peter Schiff is at Occupy Wall Street!

[RonPaul101.com]

Well let me put it this way. Under the Cain 9-9-9 plan I might get a tax break. Under the Paul "Restore America" spending cuts my family could lose money. I support Restore America over 9-9-9. I believe a lot more people lose under 9-9-9 than win (despite Cain's lies to the contrary) and the "Restore America" cuts are essential for the long term future of the country. I guess I'm being "selfish" on behalf of my children and grandchildren.

Actually you are being selfless for the entire country, and that's a good thing.

 

[specsaregood]

Well let me put it this way. Under the Cain 9-9-9 plan I might get a tax break. Under the Paul "Restore America" spending cuts my family could lose money. I support Restore America over 9-9-9. I believe a lot more people lose under 9-9-9 than win (despite Cain's lies to the contrary) and the "Restore America" cuts are essential for the long term future of the country. I guess I'm being "selfish" on behalf of my children and grandchildren.

Well there is a lot more that would hopefully come with a Ron Paul presidency than just money, I would think. Also, I would suspect that you recognize it maybe as short term hurting monetarily; but a net gain in the longterm.

 

[dannno]

Huh?! Why?

Because Schiff revealed that part of the entire point of going out and doing this was to dispell the myth that they are all a bunch of anti-capitalist marxists. He asked them the question in a way that put them on the defense, like, "So the media says you guys are all a bunch of anti-capitalist marxists.." and their answer was always something like, "No, they are the small minority fringe, most of us are completely fine with capitalism", and then Schiff would come back with something like, "Ok, well that's why I'm here to help dispell these myths."

Then he would go on to explain how the corporatism they are complaining about wouldn't exist if the govt. didn't have the power to control the markets.

I was mostly using your post because the other poster I addressed had also addressed your post and they were saying a lot of things contrary to what we saw in this video in previous threads.

 

[FrankRep]

Because Schiff revealed that part of the entire point of going out and doing this was to dispell the myth that they are all a bunch of anti-capitalist marxists. He asked them the question in a way that put them on the defense, like, "So the media says you guys are all a bunch of anti-capitalist marxists.." and their answer was always something like, "No, they are the small minority fringe, most of us are completely fine with capitalism", and then Schiff would come back with something like, "Ok, well that's why I'm here to help dispell these myths."

Peter Schiff called himself the "1% percent" to make a clear separation that he was on the other side of the argument.

That's good. I support that. Peter Schiff did it correctly.

 

[specsaregood]

Peter Schiff called himself the "1% percent" to make a clear separation that he was on the other side of the argument.
That's good. I support that. Peter Schiff did it correctly.

If you think that is why he did that; then you didn't watch the videos and conversations. He was calling them out to see if it was truly class warfare they were protesting in favor of; hint: it wasn't.

 

[dannno]

Peter Schiff called himself the "1% percent" to make a clear separation that he was on the other side of the argument.

That's good. I support that. Peter Schiff did it correctly.

If you think that is why he did that; then you didn't watch the videos and conversations. He was calling them out to see if it was truly class warfare they were protesting in favor of; hint: it wasn't.

I agree with specs here, Frank, you COMPLETELY MISSED the ENTIRE POINT of the conversation, that is, if you even watched them!!

Half the time they were all agreeing with each other about the problems, and Peter Schiff made it very clear that he was on their side when it came to corruption in DC. In fact, they agreed so much the OWS group kept asking him why he doesn't come join them in the fray! Of course the irony was he was already there.

 

[pcosmar]

I agree with specs here, Frank, you COMPLETELY MISSED the ENTIRE POINT of the conversation, that is, if you even watched them!!

Half the time they were all agreeing with each other about the problems, and Peter Schiff made it very clear that he was on their side when it came to corruption in DC. In fact, they agreed so much the OWS group kept asking him why he doesn't come join them in the fray! Of course the irony was he was already there.

There is much agreement on the problems. It is the solutions that there is confusion about.
Schiff was educating them on that. I have made attempts on another forum.

Many think that more regulation (more Government) is the answer. Much as many on the right think, More Patriot act, more police and more laws.
The correct answer is less. Less government. That is something Both sides of the aisle need to learn.

 

[FrankRep]

I agree with specs here, Frank, you COMPLETELY MISSED the ENTIRE POINT of the conversation, that is, if you even watched them!!

Half the time they were all agreeing with each other about the problems, and Peter Schiff made it very clear that he was on their side when it came to corruption in DC. In fact, they agreed so much the OWS group kept asking him why he doesn't come join them in the fray! Of course the irony was he was already there.

I watched it. Peter Schiff made it VERY CLEAR he was the "1%." That's what I'm talking about.

Peter Schiff doesn't agree with MORE regulation so he disagrees with them.

 

[Athan]

"Greed is not immoral" - Peter Schiff

Sorry, Peter. It is.

I've got to disagree. I agree that it is a neutral motivation and much like fire and depends largely in the individual. It can provide warmth, save lives, help mankind, or unchecked completely destroy or harm.

Yes, greed without a code of morals is dangerous. However it greed can be a good motivating factor for undertaking work and a profession. Most polilticans are dangerous and immoral, but is Ron Paul immoral because he is a politican?

 

[dannno]

I watched it. Peter Schiff made it VERY CLEAR he was the "1%." That's what I'm talking about.

Peter Schiff doesn't agree with MORE regulation so he disagrees with them.

Wow, so you're so completely deluded that you're never going to "get it". You're never going to see that he was actually trying to CONNECT with these people and help them see the solution that should be really obvious TO THEM because THEY have a better idea of what is happening in this country than 90% of the population. That's really too bad.

I bet you even vote for the Republican nominee no matter who it is just because they said in the debates they would reduce regulations when you know damn well they are going to increase them just like they always have. We would be better off with more of these OWS protesters who end up not voting for Obama because they realize he is corrupt than people who are "against regulations" but vote for the god damn establishment candidate just because they have the right letter next to their name.

 

[FrankRep]

Wow, so you're so completely deluded that you're never going to "get it". You're never going to see that he was actually trying to CONNECT with these people and help them see the solution that should be really obvious TO THEM because THEY have a better idea of what is happening in this country than 90% of the population. That's really too bad.

Dude. Listen up. I'm against their **** Solutions ****.

Get over yourself.

 

[Lothario]

We really need to get rid of this idea that "greed is immoral." You guys are operating under the same delusions of the people that deride a "capitalism" that doesn't exist.

Greed only becomes immoral in the context of guns (government). In the free market, greed can only manifest itself, in the long term, through providing society the best possible service and products at the best possible price. Greed, in a free market, is a net benefit to everyone. When guns (government) become involved, it distorts your perception of greed. Its not the greed that's immoral, it's the guns.

 

[dannno]

Dude. Listen up. I'm against their **** Solutions ****.

Get over yourself.

Do you think I support their solutions??

The point is that you have, in the past, made a lot of threads and arguments that are completely contrary to what both myself and Peter Schiff were able to find out during our experiences at OWS.

You have talked about all of the far-left Obama worshiping elements of at these gatherings and how they are completely different from us, when in fact, they have more similarities to us than mainstream Republican supporters who might SAY they want less regulations, but they vote again and again for politicians who make more regulations and expand the size and scope of government.

These OWS protesters are more "evolved", politically speaking, because they are able to recognize the false left-right paradigm that is used by the establishment to elect corrupt political officials. This puts them in a unique position to better understand OUR solutions than someone who is apart of the establishment and identifies them self as a Republican.

My point is Peter Schiff is ultimately going to agree on more with the OWS protesters than he would be an establishment Republican who may like Peter's rhetoric, but will ultimately vote for a big govt. establishment candidate because they don't truly understand what is going on in this country.

 

[pcosmar]

Get over yourself.

Get over yourself. You are just sowing divisions and preventing any solutions.

 

[specsaregood]

Dude. Listen up. I'm against their **** Solutions ****.

You mean like stopping bailing out corporations and the banks? The people in the video were supporting that solution. So you are for bank and corporate bailouts? Interesting.

 

[dannno]

You mean like ending the bailing out of corporations and the banks? The people in the video were supporting that solution. So you are for bank and corporate bailouts? Interesting.

FIFY

 

[specsaregood]

FIFY

yeah, that. dunno what happened there.

Those people in the videos were clearly against the bailouts and corporatism and here frank is saying he is against their solutions. Sounds to me like frank supports the bailouts.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Greed exists, and will exist, but it is kept in check by the market. I could be a greedy T.V. salesman selling regular old HDTVs for $10,000 each, but no one in their right mind is going to buy them at that price.

I've watched this video for the third time at ustream and I just want to know, "where's the rest of the footage?"

If I were Peter I'd be giving out free access accounts for any liberals he comes across at the Occupy Wall Street protests, so they can listen in on SchiffRadio to learn a thing or two. Maybe invite some to come on and do some interviews on the show itself.

 

[Athan]

To whom it may concern:

GET OVER YOURSELF.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

We really need to get rid of this idea that "greed is immoral."

Greed is not the best word to use. Self-interest is a better term. We all look out for our own self-interest, the interest of our families, etc, as best we can. That better describes healthy motivations in a free economy and society.

Greed is a negative word, and constitutes a sin in some religions. It implies excess and often is considered a motivation that results in real crimes like fraud, theft, and even murder. It also implies that a person is a sociopath.