Peter Schiff is at Occupy Wall Street!

[low preference guy]

Greed is just another word for egoism. All of you against egoism should shut up and stop doing anything for yourselves, including eating.

 

[Rosenzweig]

Peter Schiff should really write a book on economic history. He could make a myth buster typed book too. I have a hard time finding literature on economic history from an Austrian perspective.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Peter Schiff should really write a book on economic history. He could make a myth buster typed book too. I have a hard time finding literature on economic history from an Austrian perspective.

You should pick up Murray Rothbard's Austrian Perspective on the History of Economic Thought.


http://mises.org/store/Austrian-Per...ry-of-Economic-Thought-2-volume-set-P273.aspx

 

[Rosenzweig]

You should pick up Murray Rothbard's Austrian Perspective on the History of Economic Thought.


http://mises.org/store/Austrian-Per...ry-of-Economic-Thought-2-volume-set-P273.aspx

It isn't as old as some of the books I find on Mises.org. Some are written in the 40s which isn't relevant about the later half of the 20th century. I'll give it a read. I still think Peter Schiff should write a book on economic history, because he has a nice way of describing economics. And by nice, I mean simple, but without loss of meaning.

 

[jmdrake]

Greed is just another word for egoism. All of you against egoism should shut up and stop doing anything for yourselves, including eating.

There is a difference between greed and enlightened self interest. Using the eating example, greed is when you eat yourself to an early grave because you crave food that tastes good but isn't good for you. And yes, I know Ayn Rand disagrees with the definition I'm using. But there has to be some way to distinguish between self interest oriented behavior and self/community destructive behavior.

 

[jmdrake]

Dude. Listen up. I'm against their **** Solutions ****.

By the same token Ron Paul is against many of the tea party "solutions". (Electric fences? Stopping construction of mosques?) OWS and the tea party represent two groups of people really upset about the same thing but coming at it from different angles. Both the left and the right are upset about the bailouts. Both have been betrayed by their own politicians. And both are being misdirected...possibly by the same people.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Greed is just another word for egoism. All of you against egoism should shut up and stop doing anything for yourselves, including eating.

Let's take a look at the Thesaurus. Both look "bad", but they don't reference each other as synonyms.

Main Entry: Greed
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: overwhelming desire for more
Synonyms: acquisitiveness, avarice, avidity, covetousness, craving, cupidity, eagerness, edacity, esurience, excess, gluttony, gormandizing, graspingness, hunger, indulgence, insatiableness, intemperance, longing, piggishness, rapacity, ravenousness, selfishness, swinishness, the gimmies, voracity

http://thesaurus.com/browse/greed

Main Entry: egoism
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: self-centeredness
Synonyms: arrogance, assurance, boastfulness, boasting, bragging, conceit, conceitedness, egocentricity, egomania, gasconade, haughtiness, insolence, megalomania, narcissism, ostentation, overconfidence, preoccupation with self, presumption, pride, self-absorption, self-admiration, self-confidence, self-importance, self-interest, self-love, self-possession, self-regard, self-worship, selfishness, superiority, swellheadedness, vainglory, vanity, vaunting

http://thesaurus.com/browse/egoism

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Forum hiccup.

 

[Aden]

At the 10:30 mark Schiff says that Reason TV was down there with him, and that next week they will be releasing a video to YouTube. Can't wait.

 

[dolphin]

Ron Paul's economic advisor and avid promoter and advocate.

Would be nice if he could educate them people to the Revolution.

 

[matt0611]

You should pick up Murray Rothbard's Austrian Perspective on the History of Economic Thought.


http://mises.org/store/Austrian-Per...ry-of-Economic-Thought-2-volume-set-P273.aspx

I think he means more of the history of the US economy and not the history of economic theories. (though I've heard that Rothbard book is great)

 

[Aratus]

this was very brave and brash! peter schiff has an edge at times to him.
up here mayor menino is upset because it looks like that 'anonymous'
hacked into some police dep't records. ACORN + the unions are the more
sane levels of OWS if some of the freestaters aren't? freethinkers all?
sometimes anarcho-capitalism can meet up with a distrust of big brother!

 

[dannno]

bump

 

[dannno]

bump

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I was referring to your arguments in past threads, like this one:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...an-open-net!&p=3657793&viewfull=1#post3657793

And yes, they are CLEARLY anti-corporatism when every single one of them keeps shouting AT PETER that the corporations are the ones manipulating govt... Peter has to say something along the lines of, "Yes! I agree with you, so take the power away from government, and the corporations don't have any power, except the power you give them with your voluntary exchanges with them."





The big thing they don't understand is that taxes on corporations take away money for everyone when they see the biggest richest corporations colluding with government. Really what they want is a rich colluding with government tax that brings some of that money back, and they don't realize that many corporations deserve what they get because they provide real services and are supported exclusively by their customers.

Peter Schiff proves that these people are reasonable enough to have these types of discussions with, and while they may continue to fight for their side for the sake of argument, I will bet that some of these people go home and research Peter Schiff and other related material and end up changing their minds.

That is why, I say, we should be a part of this, like Peter Schiff is, but in our own way.. while you say that all libertarians should stay away because they don't promote libertarian ideals.. But how are they supposed to promote libertarian ideals if there are no libertarians
there!?





I said the media is portraying them a lot more to the left than they really are.

You just admitted that they are not fighting for the same solutions and that they want more government. The problem is the government. We seem to have different definitions of corporatism. In my view, government is the initiator of corporatism (in the sense that they were the first ones to act). Are you defending the view that corporations are responsible for corporatism and that government should regulate their greed?

EDIT: I don't necessarily disagree with your view that we should be a part of this, if you really do mean in the Peter Schiff sort of way. I have said all along go ahead and talk to people, but don't act like this is our protest or that we can act like this is some kind of anti-fed protest when it's taking place on wall street. We should not join in these protests and act like this is a freedom movement. It most certainly is not. I never said you couldn't go and try to educate people. Good luck with that. I don't know how effective it will be, but try if you want.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Actually a lot of the time they were saying things like, "Ya, I agree, so why aren't you here with us?"

And in a sense, he was

What they meant was, "Why aren't you here protesting with us?" I think it is pretty clear why he wasn't. They are just trying to recruit people to their protest, but he doesn't want to protest with them because he knows the wrong message is getting through. That's what I'm saying. Go talk to them, but don't protest with them. Of course, I can't tell you what to do, but I can try to give meaningful advice.

 

[dolphin]

OWS = ONE WORLD SYSTEM

OWS is in grave danger of being coopted into the Internationalist ONE WORLD SYSTEM.

The puppet masters and their marionettes are pushing for global control and those involved in OWS who support them have been deceived or are being willfully blind!

"Global market logic here trumps sovereign national law, and the only way to address “illegal” immigration is to globalize law and regulation. International financial institutions like the IMF and the WTO push for global regulations, but on behalf of the interests of global corporations. Liberals need to be fighting for transnational democratic institutions to assure democratic outcomes in the global public interest."

Calling All Liberals: It's Time to Fight
http://www.thenation.com/article/164071/calling-all-liberals-its-time-fight

How Did the Arab Spring Come to New York?
https://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-How-Did-the-Arab-Spring-Come-to-New-York

Occupy Wall Street to Attack US Freedoms With Constitutional Convention
https://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Oc...ck-US-Freedoms-With-Constitutional-Convention

OWS Demands Global UN Tax [Exactly What the Plutocracy wants.]
https://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-OWS-Demands-Global-UN-Tax-Exactly-What-The-Rothschild-cabal-Wants