Peter Schiff is at Occupy Wall Street!

[PaulConventionWV]

Um, ok, it is clear that neither of you watched the videos before posting. Although I am also guilty of the same thing, as you can see above, I hope that both of you watch the videos and see what is really going on at these protests. PaulConventionWV, Peter Schiff basically blasts all of your arguments to hell in these videos, so I really hope you watch them.

It might help if I knew what argument I am supposedly making, according to you. I asked what it is based on that the people are anti-corporatist. Okay, they don't like corporations, but ultimately, I wouldn't call them anti-corporatists when it comes down to it. I never said that most of them were anti-capitalist. If you know what socialism is, though, most of them definitely hold some sort of socialist beliefs, such as government regulation of the market.

Again, what is my argument? Also, I actually did watch the video. I just really don't know what you're talking about when you refer to "my arguments."

Peter Schiff asks everybody about whether they are anti-capitalist, marxist, etc.. and ALL of them, even the leftists, say that the marxists are a "fringe" element and the vast majority there are pro-capitalism.. They even did straw polls among the surrounding groups of people and found that most had no problem with capitalism. They had a problem with the banks and corporations getting govt. to do their dirty work, and so this allowed Peter Schiff to plant some important ideas in their mind.

Yeah, I know the marxists are fringe there. They're fringe everywhere. That doesn't mean those people don't hold socialist beliefs and want socialist changes, which most of them clearly do, since they are rejecting Peter's arguments pretty vociferously.

Peter and the surrounding groups both agree that the media is trying to paint them all as leftist/marxist/fringe elements and that ONE OF THE REASONS WHY PETER SCHIFF WAS ASKING THEM WAS TO CLEAR UP THESE MISCONCEPTIONS.

Yes, of course. Did I ever say anything about Marxism? Perhaps you could use some reading comprehension before responding next time.

 

[TER]

"Greed is not immoral" - Peter Schiff

Sorry, Peter. It is.

 

[dannno]

It might help if I knew what argument I am supposedly making, according to you. I asked what it is based on that the people are anti-corporatist. Okay, they don't like corporations, but ultimately, I wouldn't call them anti-corporatists when it comes down to it. I never said that most of them were anti-capitalist. If you know what socialism is, though, most of them definitely hold some sort of socialist beliefs, such as government regulation of the market.

Again, what is my argument? Also, I actually did watch the video. I just really don't know what you're talking about when you refer to "my arguments."

I was referring to your arguments in past threads, like this one:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...an-open-net!&p=3657793&viewfull=1#post3657793

And yes, they are CLEARLY anti-corporatism when every single one of them keeps shouting AT PETER that the corporations are the ones manipulating govt... Peter has to say something along the lines of, "Yes! I agree with you, so take the power away from government, and the corporations don't have any power, except the power you give them with your voluntary exchanges with them."

Yeah, I know the marxists are fringe there. They're fringe everywhere. That doesn't mean those people don't hold socialist beliefs and want socialist changes, which most of them clearly do, since they are rejecting Peter's arguments pretty vociferously.

The big thing they don't understand is that taxes on corporations take away money for everyone when they see the biggest richest corporations colluding with government. Really what they want is a rich colluding with government tax that brings some of that money back, and they don't realize that many corporations deserve what they get because they provide real services and are supported exclusively by their customers.

Peter Schiff proves that these people are reasonable enough to have these types of discussions with, and while they may continue to fight for their side for the sake of argument, I will bet that some of these people go home and research Peter Schiff and other related material and end up changing their minds.

That is why, I say, we should be a part of this, like Peter Schiff is, but in our own way.. while you say that all libertarians should stay away because they don't promote libertarian ideals.. But how are they supposed to promote libertarian ideals if there are no libertarians
there!?

Yes, of course. Did I ever say anything about Marxism? Perhaps you could use some reading comprehension before responding next time.

I said the media is portraying them a lot more to the left than they really are.

 

[dannno]

"Greed is not immoral" - Peter Schiff

Sorry, Peter. It is.

Acquiring a lot of high value possessions in a free market means to create a lot of possessions for your fellow man first.

Greed is a lot worse in the context of when you are hurting others vs. helping others.

 

[dannno]

since they are rejecting Peter's arguments pretty vociferously.
.

Actually a lot of the time they were saying things like, "Ya, I agree, so why aren't you here with us?"

And in a sense, he was

 

[Cutlerzzz]

Why is it so hard for some to accept that he may have reached out to some of those people, and may not have? It's possible that he got them thinking on some issues while failing to get them to change at all on others. We don't know what is going on inside their heads, or what will be in the future. Some of them were polite and responsive, some were not. The same can be said of the Tea Party (which some hypocritically reject while endorsing Occupy Wall Street).

Just talking to them cannot hurt. Schiff is doing a good thing, both by providing me 17 minute of entertainment, and by potentially spreading the message of liberty. I don't know if it will work, but trying will not hurt. The people there are individuals with their own ideas.

 

[Keith and stuff]

"Greed is not immoral" - Peter Schiff

Sorry, Peter. It is.

According to Ayn Rand is a good thing. I personally think it it neutral. Greed is just greed. TER, I know you are greedy but I don't take offense to it.

 

[TER]

Acquiring a lot of high value possessions in a free market means to create a lot of possessions for your fellow man first.

Greed is a lot worse in the context of when you are hurting others vs. helping others.

Acquiring a lot of high value possessions in a free market to create a lot of possessions for your fellow man is not greed. It is charity.

The problem is, for most, such work and devotion to acquiring material possessions often times leads to greed, which is neither moral nor a virtue.

 

[TER]

According to Ayn Rand is a good thing. I personally think it it neutral. Greed is just greed. TER, I know you are greedy but I don't take offense to it.

Ayn Rand said many interesting things. Some of which were wrong, such as the comment you made above.

 

[Danke]

"Greed is not immoral" - Peter Schiff

Sorry, Peter. It is.

Oh shit. I agree with TER. Time to go to bed.

 

[Mach]

Schiff should have waited for this article by Mr.Rockwell and passed it around......

The State is everybody’s enemy. Why don’t the protesters get this? Because they are victims of propaganda by the State, doled out in public school, that attempts to blame all human suffering on private parties and free enterprise. They do not comprehend that the real enemy is the institution that brainwashes them to think they way they do.

http://lewrockwell.com/rockwell/the-evil-1-percent194.html


It seems to be just another divide and conquer dance, both sides are correct, to a certain extent...... lots here are totally against the Federal Reserve, a private bank....

The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank (Federal Reserve)...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world.
- Carroll Quigley

 

[Keith and stuff]

Jack Hunter a body guard? Have you seen Jack Hunter?

I have met Jack more than once. He is a nice man. He is very smart and a good blogger. A body guard? I think not.

 

[MJU1983]

I watched the stream. It was pretty annoying. A group of ignorant kids asking him stupid questions, then talking over him trying to sound smart. This one guy was a complete asshole.

www.ustream.tv/occupythefed

LOL - I love Peter Schiff.

 

[FrankRep]

nice. lol

"I'm the 1%. Lets talk"

 

[pure]

Ayn Rand said many interesting things. Some of which were wrong, such as the comment you made above.

Why is she wrong?

 

[TER]

Why is she wrong?

Because she practiced self-worship and made an idol of her own 'objective' beliefs.

 

[mello]

Where is the video that Schiff recorded? The audio from that ustream was terrible.

 

[InTradePro]

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/17999453

Very good stuff.

 

[InTradePro]

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/17999453

Very good stuff.

 

[jasonxe]

Maybe he'll have the recorded audio on his show today or video on his website.