Peter Schiff - "I'm almost tapped out of cash!!, I need your help!"

[ClayTrainor]

Where would the liberty movement be now without all the money spent for example to Ron Paul´s campaign ?

About where it is now, with a few million more in our pockets for grassroots projects. I simply don't like the idea of funneling my money into the pockets of guys like Rupert Murdoch, and Rush Limbaugh which is exactly where a lot of political advertising loot will go.

We are now winning the fight and now people are not putting the money where mouth is ? Yeah, that´s reaaaaally smart!

What are the odds? What happens if we don't win, Is there any return on the investment at all?

Many people in this economy don't have very much money for their daily lives, and are in debt, and they are still donating what they can to political campaigns. I personally would advise that my poor friends get out of debt and earn financial freedom, before I would ever suggest they take on more debt to help out a self-made millionaire candidate. What about you?

I full of this complaining, it´s never good for some of you. First you complain that you don´t have candidates to support for who have chances to win. When you have that kind of candidates, you complain if they ask for money...

That's a generalized straw-man. That first complaint is not one of mine.

Just throwing out my 2 cents. People should absolutely donate to Peter if they want to and can afford it.

 

[speciallyblend]

curious where is all his state supporters??? We have liberty Candidates in "Colorado" that are already winning delegate votes and local polls!!

I want schiff to win,but as a voter and liberty supporter! i am supporting candidates that have won their primary delegate votes in Colorado and can win their primary election and win their general election!!

like i said i like schiff but shouldn't his own supporters in his state step up!!! We are in Colorado!!!

i wish i had money to donate to him! i post in hopes someone can donate something to Schiff's Campaign.

maybe after i lose my house and everything. i might be able to spare something!!

i think clay makes valid points!!!!

 

[cswake]

His town halls at the Republican meetings seem to have very positive responses. The true test of his viability will come at the Connecticut Republican delegate convention on May 21-22. (http://www.hartfordrepublicans.org/)

 

[pacelli]

I was going to start a new thread on that issue.

I do OK for myself and have kicked in quite a few bucks over the past couple of years, some people here have gone way beyond that, into tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars.

I've done it happily and willingly.

But "donor fatigue" is setting in, you can only do so much and it seems like every day there is a new money bomb for this or that person.

If you don't want to make mockery of the whole money bomb idea then maybe it's time to concentrate and focus more and not be so scattergunned about it.

I've also spent thousands on Ron Paul's campaigns. I've got some comments about money bomb planning if you wanted to start a new thread. I think money bombs (and make-up moneybombs) have gotten out of control and solutions need to be developed. Otherwise, we are setting ourselves up for $4000/day money bombs come 2012. If we don't start making some small common sense changes in how fundraising is done, we'll be caught flat-footed for 2012 and will be using 4-year old techniques designed for 1 campaign and applying those techniques to at least a dozen campaigns.

The tap is going to run dry for Ron Paul if we don't make some changes. Again I have some ideas and am willing to help solve the problem, but obviously that can't be accomplished in this thread.

 

[Bergie Bergeron]

I've also spent thousands on Ron Paul's campaigns. I've got some comments about money bomb planning if you wanted to start a new thread. I think money bombs (and make-up moneybombs) have gotten out of control and solutions need to be developed. Otherwise, we are setting ourselves up for $4000/day money bombs come 2012. If we don't start making some small common sense changes in how fundraising is done, we'll be caught flat-footed for 2012 and will be using 4-year old techniques designed for 1 campaign and applying those techniques to at least a dozen campaigns.

The tap is going to run dry for Ron Paul if we don't make some changes. Again I have some ideas and am willing to help solve the problem, but obviously that can't be accomplished in this thread.

Start a thread, good idea.

 

[qwerty]

About where it is now, with a few million more in our pockets for grassroots projects. I simply don't like the idea of funneling my money into the pockets of guys like Rupert Murdoch, and Rush Limbaugh which is exactly where a lot of political advertising loot will go.

Without Ron Paul´s campaign we wouldn´t have grassroot like this.

You can reach more people in radio or tv, that´s simply a fact.

Are you really thinking that you are just giving your money away if we buy some tv ads ?

I´m thinking that we are buying time for our message in mainstream media and reaching people new people with our ideas.

What are the odds? What happens if we don't win, Is there any return on the investment at all?

If you take a look at the video, Peter tells you the odds.

Ron Paul lost, but he started a revolution.

We are preparing for bigger thing in 2010, it´s 2012. All the new people we get now will help us in 2012.

Many people in this economy don't have very much money for their daily lives, and are in debt, and they are still donating what they can to political campaigns. I personally would advise that my poor friends get out of debt and earn financial freedom, before I would ever suggest they take on more debt to help out a self-made millionaire candidate. What about you?

You know. I really think that dollar WILL crash if the direction is not changed.

What will those people do then... What will they do when the dollar is worth toilet paper ?

So you really think that Peter should spend only his own money for his campaign, cause he happens to be a millionaire ?

I think that you forget that people DRAFTED Peter to run.

That's a generalized straw-man. That first complaint is not one of mine.

Just throwing out my 2 cents. People should absolutely donate to Peter if they want to and can afford it.

Yeah, it wasn´t yours but that´s the feeling i get here.

First we complain how there´s nobody to vote for and now when there´s plenty of awesome candidates, some are not ready to support them.

I agree that if you can´t donate, you shouldn´t. BUT there are still TON of things you can do for Peter.

You can spread the word about the moneybomb, all that costs is your internet connection payment and time.

 

[pacelli]

Here's a new thread to discuss moneybombs, donor saturation, and coming up with solutions for 2012:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=241786

 

[speciallyblend]

damn!! Thread got str8 up jacked!!

if anyone can donate ,please do!

 

[qwerty]

if anyone can donate ,please do!

And if you can´t donate, you can still do ton of things for FREE!

 

[TCE]

1. Anyone who thinks Peter isn't loving all of this publicity from the Senate run doesn't know business very well. This is doing wonders for getting him out in the public eye and helping his name recognition, which will in turn help EuroPac, all on our dime.

2. Look at the comparison between Rand and Schiff. $2.6 million for Rand, almost $2 million for Schiff. That's only $600,000, which isn't that much. Consider that a couple of PACs have donated to Rand and many in-state Kentuckians and other mainstream Republicans have as well. This is not the case for Schiff. It is mostly all us for his fund raising and he has apparently blown almost all of it while Rand still has a nice amount of cash on hand. Even if he makes it to the General, which is virtually impossible at this point, how will he beat Blumenthal? Blumenthal is running roughly 20 points ahead and Schiff is out of money now. Ask yourself, would my money better be spent giving it to Gunny, who has an excellent chance? Maybe Rand? Perhaps another candidate like Hostettler, who needs dramatically less?

Since this has been derailed, all of my points are now actually on topic.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Even if he makes it to the General, which is virtually impossible at this point, how will he beat Blumenthal? Blumenthal is running roughly 20 points ahead and Schiff is out of money now. Ask yourself, would my money better be spent giving it to Gunny, who has an excellent chance? Maybe Rand? Perhaps another candidate like Hostettler, who needs dramatically less?

That ^^

Sometimes you gotta fold, take account of your losses and move to the next hand.

 

[TCE]

That ^^

Sometimes you gotta fold, take account of your losses and move to the next hand.

As Schiff says, "Don't throw good money after bad."

 

[cswake]

I would argue that Schiff has a higher hurdle since he is being substantially out-funded by McMahon AND he doesn't have the name recognition that Rand had from Ron.

 

[qwerty]

1. Anyone who thinks Peter isn't loving all of this publicity from the Senate run doesn't know business very well. This is doing wonders for getting him out in the public eye and helping his name recognition, which will in turn help EuroPac, all on our dime.

2. Look at the comparison between Rand and Schiff. $2.6 million for Rand, almost $2 million for Schiff. That's only $600,000, which isn't that much. Consider that a couple of PACs have donated to Rand and many in-state Kentuckians and other mainstream Republicans have as well. This is not the case for Schiff. It is mostly all us for his fund raising and he has apparently blown almost all of it while Rand still has a nice amount of cash on hand. Even if he makes it to the General, which is virtually impossible at this point, how will he beat Blumenthal? Blumenthal is running roughly 20 points ahead and Schiff is out of money now. Ask yourself, would my money better be spent giving it to Gunny, who has an excellent chance? Maybe Rand? Perhaps another candidate like Hostettler, who needs dramatically less?

Since this has been derailed, all of my points are now actually on topic.

Hmmmm, Is Trey Grayson as rich as Mcmahon ?

Peter is in the race for publicity ?

Yeah, he doesn´t get enough publicity from Fox etc show where he has been regular for a long time.

i can guarantee that no other senate is as bright as Peter when it comes to economics. And America is in mess, cause of economic reasons!

And Peter can win, he just doesn´t have the name recognition yet.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I would argue that Schiff has a higher hurdle since he is being substantially out-funded by McMahon AND he doesn't have the name recognition that Rand had from Ron.

Yeah, all of these are true.

But you have to look at where he's running as well and to me that was always the biggest hurdle.

Like running a liberty candidate for Congress in NYC.

 

[JamesButabi]

And if you can´t donate, you can still do ton of things for FREE!

This is the biggest thing. It seems half of the board aren't giving Peter appropriate attention, or always trying to knock this campaign down even though his numbers are increasing. If you watch the townhalls, people there are excited and receptive. I keep getting confirmation from people in CT that his newest ads are now being blanketed. Also his primary is months away. Im actually a little disturbed at the lack of enthusiasm surrounding his campaign on the forum.

Has anyone been listening to Peters town halls? Do they not hear his plan for exposing the hipocracry over the budget and how he will not flinch? How he will call people out publicly and make them take a stand? This isn't worth pushing for? Step it up or step aside. If you get people fired up the area wont matter (ask martha coakley). Get Peter to the general and watch how debates turn out between him and Blumenthall.

 

[qwerty]

People who say that he can´t win are not paying attention, that´s for sure.

 

[qwerty]

This is the biggest thing. It seems half of the board aren't giving Peter appropriate attention, or always trying to knock this campaign down even though his numbers are increasing. If you watch the townhalls, people there are excited and receptive. I keep getting confirmation from people in CT that his newest ads are now being blanketed. Also his primary is months away. Im actually a little disturbed at the lack of enthusiasm surrounding his campaign on the forum.

Has anyone been listening to Peters town halls? Do they not hear his plan for exposing the hipocracry over the budget and how he will not flinch? How he will call people out publicly and make them take a stand? This isn't worth pushing for? Step it up or step aside.

It seems that many here are just like the ones they are saying they are not.

You know the "horse-race"-type people. "you just have to pick the winner and go with that"

This is about principles and fighting for those principles when it´s needed!

 

[Kotin]

That ^^

Sometimes you gotta fold, take account of your losses and move to the next hand.

Dude this is Peter Schiff we are talking about here.. If anyone can do it it is peter. And he says he can win.. I believe him, he doesn't bullshit.

 

[low preference guy]

That ^^

Sometimes you gotta fold, take account of your losses and move to the next hand.

you're already giving up for a race that's in August? are you serious?