Person Kicked Out of a Mitt Romney Event and Arrested.

[kylejack]

The police officer explained to him that the people controlling the property had ordered him to leave. The police officer fully fulfilled his duty for supporting a trespassing charge. The guy was told why they wanted him to leave and then ordered to leave.

He can ask questions, but only if he's doing so while leaving. The trespassing charge is 100% legit, regardless of whether or not it makes Romney look bad.

 

[mmadness]

please take the time to realize this is just an article passed on regarding a 'journalist' and his experience with the police and stop lecturing RP supporters who had nothing to so with the situation...

Point taken, but this has happened with a Newt event in NH and a couple of YouTube whiny videos have already been made making Dr. Paul look bad. I'm sure some of our "supporters" have also done this a few other times. Best to nip this in the bud in as many related threads as possible.

 

[gb13]

For some reason, the article isn't populating when I open the link... it's just a blank page with the HuffPo banner on the top. Anyone have an alternative source?

 

[Wolfgang Bohringer]

Reminds me of the martial law they set up for the 2008 convention in St. Paul.

I can't wait for Tampa! The majority Ron Paul delegation will look kind of funny adorned in their football helmets which they will need in order to fend off the truncheons in order to cast their votes for Ron.

 

[The Free Hornet]

They were outside the building but still on private property. Whether you're inside a structure or not is unimportant.

The evidence suggests strongly he was ordered outside the AREA as it extended beyond the private property and he was explicitly told he couldn't be on the street nor could he express his opinion off the premises. Now, I'm being clever with the timeline, but who is to say he didn't have the right to question the cops. If you're standing on private property, but told to "get out of town", what the hell are you supposed to do? Lick boot and leave? WWRD? (R=Rambo!).

Cameras were on him and if he didn't resist arrest, I don't see a charge. Did a cop grab his arm to escort or nudge him out? If not, why not? I'll concede there are good reasons for the cop to not want a physical altercation but bouncers are able to use some force to aid people off the premises. As mentioned, why did the officer cease his escort outside the building when he should have continued the escort until off the premises/private property? Find the map from google of this place (below), it would have been a 10 foot walk.

"No, sir - we'll explain it to you outside." I tried to ask a few additional questions to figure out what was going on, but he refused to answer. "Outside."

I was intimidated. I gathered my things and walked past a group of citizens and press, humiliated and confused.

Outside, the officer said, "Sir, the campaign has identified you as someone who was at a protest at Romney's office in Manchester."

Note how the cop is all forceful and seems to have no problem getting him to the desired location, outside. Why stop there if that's not where he is supposed to be?


More stuff: Matt's Blog:
http://www.thewheatandchaff.com/mitt-romney-arrest/


The private property in question:
http://www.gmfco.com/


If you google the location, you will see it is a typical industrial place. 80% building, 15% parking, 5% greenery (edited). Once you are outside the building, you are effing outside. Without an attempt to get back in, I don't see this going anywhere.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Gilchrist+Metal+Fabricating+Company

 

[kylejack]

The evidence suggests strongly he was ordered outside the AREA as it extended beyond the private property and he was explicitly told he couldn't be on the street nor could he express his opinion off the premises.

Yes, but ordering him to stay off the sidewalk isn't a lawful order, so he wasn't obligated to obey that order. He was, however, required to leave the property when ordered to do so.

Cameras were on him and if he didn't resist arrest, I don't see a charge. Did a cop grab his arm to escort or nudge him out? If not, why not? I'll concede there are good reasons for the cop to not want a physical altercation but bouncers are able to use some force to aid people off the premises.

The cop had no obligation to grab him, and I can understand why a cop might be reluctant to grab someone with an apparent history of activism. He ordered the man to leave and the man didn't. He is then subject to arrest. Never count on a cop to give you the benefit of the doubt.

As mentioned, why did the officer cease his escort outside the building when he should have continued the escort until off the premises/private property? Find the map from google of this place (below), it would have been a 10 foot walk.

The man was ordered to leave the property and apparently stopped walking. What do you mean continue the escort? He hadn't laid hands on the man and apparently didn't intend to unless he refused to leave.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

This man's crime was not trespass. This man's crimes were "unforgivable uppitiness to an Exalted Officer of the Law" along with "failure to grovel" and "indecent display of backbone in the presence of children of the State."

 

[AFPVet]

He should've imposed a fee schedule....

 

[The Free Hornet]

The man was ordered to leave the property and apparently stopped walking. What do you mean continue the escort? He hadn't laid hands on the man and apparently didn't intend to unless he refused to leave.

The only source of the story says,

1) He was told to leave the building and was escorted out of the building.

2) He was told to leave "area" including public property like the street outside the building.

3) He did not refuse to leave. He left immediately and was escorted out the building.

How is it that when you are standing on private property and are told to leave the AREA, you are arrested for trespass on private property? If Matt is given illegal orders, why should he interpret that as a legal order to leave the property? A private security guard is not going to tell people they can't stand on a public street or express their first amendement rights.

The man was ordered to leave the property and apparently stopped walking.

The cop said an explanation would be offered outside, I assume this is when the walking stopped. It is not clear who initiated the stop, but if the guy was on his way off the premises and cop stops to argue with him after previously promising to explain it outside, then this could be interpreted as permission to be on the premises for the purpose of discussion. At this point, the campaign is no longer present and there is no clear link between the property owner or campaign and this cop.

The cop doesn't own this property. Maybe that point is lost on people. I don't see how he failed to get the guy off the property unless the cop didn't escort Matt towards the street (there is a West lot on premises but it is bordered by trees).

 

[affa]

They were outside the building but still on private property. Whether you're inside a structure or not is unimportant.

that completely misses my point. he was asked to leave, and followed the cop to where the cop took him.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Private property rights...horseshit.

This man is running for the most powerful office on the face of the earth, and the right to order all of us about 24/7 and kill thousands at his whim.

Fuck him, he lost any right to "privacy" and the ability to control the debate long ago.

Every one of these monsters ought not to be able to show their face in public without getting heckled and abused 24/7.

RP didn't have the OWS people that heckled him arrested, did he now?

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Fuck him, he lost any right to "privacy" and the ability to control the debate long ago.

Every one of these monsters ought not to be able to show their face in public without getting heckled and abused 24/7.

I completely and heartily agree.

 

[kylejack]

that completely misses my point. he was asked to leave, and followed the cop to where the cop took him.

and then:

I explained to the officer that there must have been some misunderstanding. Could I speak to someone from the campaign to clear this up? No. I'd have to leave immediately.

At which point he should have left and didn't.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

At which point he should have left and didn't.

Most importantly, he back-talked! He sassed! He dared to question this Aggression Enforcement Officer and his high, mighty Authoritaay.

I am shocked and appalled that we still have uppity malcontents with the gall to perpetrate such atrocious outrages against our Beneficent Officers of the State.

Off with his head!

 

[Captain Shays]

I've heard of people getting attacked and manhandled just for asking him why Goldman Sachs gives huge donations to both him and Obama.

This is the new America...you lick their boots or disappear.

I hope that's not proof in itself that Romney will be our next president

 

[BamaAla]

Most importantly, he back-talked! He sassed! He dared to question this Aggression Enforcement Officer and his high, mighty Authoritaay.

I am shocked and appalled that we still have uppity malcontents with the gall to perpetrate such atrocious outrages against our Beneficent Officers of the State.

Off with his head!

Nah, most importantly he was asked to leave private property and rather than respecting that request he wanted to stay and argue. He's lucky he just got arrested; if he had done this at any number of members on this board's property, he would have had a much worse day.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Nah, most importantly he was asked to leave private property and rather than respecting that request he wanted to stay and argue. He's lucky he just got arrested; if he had done this at any number of members on this board's property, he would have had a much worse day.

The difference is that I did not come on your property first and claim the right to sieze the blood of your sons and the fruits of your labor.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Nah, most importantly he was asked to leave private property and rather than respecting that request he wanted to stay and argue. He's lucky he just got arrested; if he had done this at any number of members on this board's property, he would have had a much worse day.

He wasn't asked by the property owner. For all we know the property owner was fine with him being there.

No, he was asked by the pigs. And pigs abusing their power never deserve respect, and you can quote me on that.

 

[BamaAla]

He wasn't asked by the property owner. For all we know the property owner was fine with him being there.

No, he was asked by the pigs. And pigs abusing their power never deserve respect, and you can quote me on that.

The property owner had given the rights to the Romney campaign; it's much like they were renting.

 

[ropa2012]