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I dont agree with alex jones and his crazy anti russian conspiracies.

althourgh most of his stuff terrorstorm and other flims are good, but his views on russsia are outrageous.


today alex jones prision plaet had a article
that says that the russians were behind the Beslan siege?
i mean come on, thats silly he has no evidence to proof his claim


alex jones needs to think before he can make up those outrageous claims
it can get him into trouble in of these days.
 
1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.


Does anyone actually believe that this does not happen on a daily basis? C'mon. Happens all the time. What do you think Enron was? What about the creation of the Federal Reserve? Not everything is hidden. For example, the NAFTA superhighway, or the NAU, in general. Does anyone think this is happening by a sheer coincidence?

I certainly do not believe in a great number of conspiracies, but for anyone to believe that they do not exist, is living in a dreamland, in my opinion.
 
I dont agree with alex jones and his crazy anti russian conspiracies.

althourgh most of his stuff terrorstorm and other flims are good, but his views on russsia are outrageous.


today alex jones prision plaet had a article
that says that the russians were behind the Beslan siege?
i mean come on, thats silly he has no evidence to proof his claim


alex jones needs to think before he can make up those outrageous claims
it can get him into trouble in of these days.

He comes up with some unsubstantiated stuff, and some of his followers take everything he says hook, line, and sinker. Intellectual laziness. He went all haywire with the Y2K bogus scare, he reminds me of a TV evangelist, he talks and acts like one. He did the same thing coming up with a date he said another terrorist attack was going to take place. That date came and went, just like evangelists who have come up with a date for the end of the world. He has good info on there, but also bad. He does some unethical things and has a huge ego. I'm sure I'm going to get tomatoes thrown at me for saying that. Oh well, it's a free country. :D I love tomatoes so it's ok, favorite veggie (errrr....fruit?). ;)

Conspiracies.....some true, some not. As for secrecy in gov't, well, the Patriot Act was kept secret (and was in the works a ways before 9/11). Until they dropped the bomb on us. So yes, a group of people in the gov't CAN keep a secret. I think people aren't giving certain douchebags credit so that they can feel more comfortable. Here's a great little ditty from a founding father:

"It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth — and listen to the song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those, who having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it."

Patrick Henry, speech in the Virginia Convention, March 23, 1775
 
I am talking about the many absurd 9/11 Theories floated about on purpose so the the whole field can be discredited.
You mean absurd theories about how fire can't melt, or even weaken, steel? About how it was impossible that large commercial airplanes crashing into WTC1 and WTC2 could not possibly have had anything to do with their collapse? About how it's impossible to make a cellphone call from an airplane? About how no plane hit the Pentagon despite hundreds of witnesses? I'm glad you're finally admitting Loose Change is absurd.
 
Here is a conspiracy, voting machines are hackable and elections can be manipulated.

What? NOT TRUE you say? Not in AMERICA you say?

well well well

http://www.livevideo.com/video/56A9F628EE3E45DF901B9F4944D9B314/hacking-a-dieblold-voting-mach.aspx


Holy hell.l..this administration is on the new "conspiracy" everyday plan. All one has to do is freaking look at the headlines to see that. And that's just the one's we KNOW about. Like criminals, they only get caught at it every so often though they are pillaging and plundering daily. Anyone remember the day before 9/11 when Rumsfeld announced that the U.S. Government has lost 2.3 Trillion dollars? Boom! 9/11! And no one has heard a word about it since. Ummmm....any reason we are not looking for that 2.3 Trillion dollars? I've worked for the Government and I am real familiar with Government accounting systems. Ya don't just misplace 2.3 Trillion dollars!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml

I'm sure it was just a coincidence that they announced it the day before 9/11 and we would forget all about it the next day.
 
I certainly do not believe in a great number of conspiracies, but for anyone to believe that they do not exist, is living in a dreamland, in my opinion.
There is a difference between "conspiracy" and "conspiracy theory". If you need help figuring it out, look it up on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

Enron is NOT evidence that 9/11 was an inside job by our government. It's such a fallacious argument that I'm aghast that people would stoop to use it. Yet they do. The crimes of Enron were committed by a tiny handful of individuals. But Truthers claim thousands of people were involved in perpetrating or covering up the events of 9/11. I've even been accused, here on this forum, of being one of them!
 
You mean absurd theories about how fire can't melt, or even weaken, steel? About how it was impossible that large commercial airplanes crashing into WTC1 and WTC2 could not possibly have had anything to do with their collapse? About how it's impossible to make a cellphone call from an airplane? About how no plane hit the Pentagon despite hundreds of witnesses? I'm glad you're finally admitting Loose Change is absurd.


Um yeah...like fire can't melt or weaken steel unless it's in a very controlled environment for the purpose of melting steel.. Ever have your oven melt from heat? Ever have your BBQ melt from fire? Steel is pretty much what we use to contain heat and fire.

Hundreds of witnesses huh? Got a list there Bucky? So Brandy....tell me why the Government has refused to release a single video of a plane hitting the Pentagon even though they have 80+ video's? How come, within minutes of that supposed plane hitting the Pentagon were FBI agents confiscating video's from a convenience store and a hotel which had cameras? Within minutes! LOL...yeah...that's the first thing the FBI would do after a plane hits the freaking pentagon that has like 100 video camera's trained everywhere. The FBI runs over to a convenience store and a hotel to confiscate their video's too. How come the Pentagon will not show us the plane Brandy? 100 plus camera's on the Pentagon, you would think they could show us the fricken 757 don't you think? Why do you suppose they don't? Could it be there was NO plane that hit the Pentagon? Oh and can you explain how a 757 fit in that 14' diameter hole in the Pentagon while you are at it? Never mind....your an idiot.
 
There is a difference between "conspiracy" and "conspiracy theory". If you need help figuring it out, look it up on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

Enron is NOT evidence that 9/11 was an inside job by our government. It's such a fallacious argument that I'm aghast that people would stoop to use it. Yet they do. The crimes of Enron were committed by a tiny handful of individuals. But Truthers claim thousands of people were involved in perpetrating or covering up the events of 9/11. I've even been accused, here on this forum, of being one of them!

I don't think he was implying Enron was evidence of a 9/11 conspiracy...though very convenient regardless.
 
Any person who believes in every conspiracy theory needs to open the door to their local mental health clinic.

I've yet to meet that rare "any person who believes in every conspiracy theory", have you?

But if I ever did, I 100% agree with you.

What is worse are some of the conspiracy hypothesises.

If we define the meaning of terms, I think we're all better off. Here's an interesting excerpt about this:

"Lay people often misinterpret the language used by scientists. And for that reason, they sometimes draw the wrong conclusions as to what the scientific terms mean.

Three such terms that are often used interchangeably are "scientific law," "hypothesis," and "theory."

In layman’s terms, if something is said to be “just a theory,” it usually means that it is a mere guess, or is unproved. It might even lack credibility. But in scientific terms, a theory implies that something has been proven and is generally accepted as being true.

Here is what each of these terms means to a scientist:

Scientific Law: This is a statement of fact meant to explain, in concise terms, an action or set of actions. It is generally accepted to be true and univseral, and can sometimes be expressed in terms of a single mathematical equation. Scientific laws are similar to mathematical postulates. They don’t really need any complex external proofs; they are accepted at face value based upon the fact that they have always been observed to be true.

Specifically, scientific laws must be simple, true, universal, and absolute. They represent the cornerstone of scientific discovery, because if a law ever did not apply, then all science based upon that law would collapse.

Some scientific laws, or laws of nature, include the law of gravity, Newton's laws of motion, the laws of thermodynamics, Boyle's law of gases, the law of conservation of mass and energy, and Hook’s law of elasticity.

Hypothesis: This is an educated guess based upon observation. It is a rational explanation of a single event or phenomenon based upon what is observed, but which has not been proved. Most hypotheses can be supported or refuted by experimentation or continued observation.

Theory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.

In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology."

http://wilstar.com/theories.htm

- SL
 
I've yet to meet that rare "any person who believes in every conspiracy theory", have you?

But if I ever did, I 100% agree with you.

What is worse are some of the conspiracy hypothesises.

If we define the meaning of terms, I think we're all better off. Here's an interesting excerpt about this:

"Lay people often misinterpret the language used by scientists. And for that reason, they sometimes draw the wrong conclusions as to what the scientific terms mean.

Three such terms that are often used interchangeably are "scientific law," "hypothesis," and "theory."

In layman’s terms, if something is said to be “just a theory,” it usually means that it is a mere guess, or is unproved. It might even lack credibility. But in scientific terms, a theory implies that something has been proven and is generally accepted as being true.

Here is what each of these terms means to a scientist:

Scientific Law: This is a statement of fact meant to explain, in concise terms, an action or set of actions. It is generally accepted to be true and univseral, and can sometimes be expressed in terms of a single mathematical equation. Scientific laws are similar to mathematical postulates. They don’t really need any complex external proofs; they are accepted at face value based upon the fact that they have always been observed to be true.

Specifically, scientific laws must be simple, true, universal, and absolute. They represent the cornerstone of scientific discovery, because if a law ever did not apply, then all science based upon that law would collapse.

Some scientific laws, or laws of nature, include the law of gravity, Newton's laws of motion, the laws of thermodynamics, Boyle's law of gases, the law of conservation of mass and energy, and Hook’s law of elasticity.

Hypothesis: This is an educated guess based upon observation. It is a rational explanation of a single event or phenomenon based upon what is observed, but which has not been proved. Most hypotheses can be supported or refuted by experimentation or continued observation.

Theory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.

In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology."

http://wilstar.com/theories.htm

- SL

But like Pavlovian dogs over the decades, we have been trained to immediately equate the words "Conspiracy Theory" to nutballs, crazy people, tin foil hatters, etc. No coincidence as I am sure you already know. I thank my lucky stars I have been deprogrammed to that little trick. Now if only the rest of the Pavlovian dogs could just wake up....LOL
 
Oh and can you explain how a 757 fit in that 14' diameter hole in the Pentagon while you are at it? Never mind....your an idiot.
That hole was the EXIT hole in the third ring. Since I am also an idiot, I will defer to your intelligent expectation that 125' wide plane should be able to crash through several reinforced concrete walls, intact, to make a 125' wide exit hole. My feeble mind tells me that if a plane hit the Pentagon, it's wings would shear off at the first wall and the rest would be pulverized, making smaller and smaller holes through each wall it encountered, until the last shreds came to a stop.

Here is a link to information even more idiotic than myself: http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/index.php?title=Pentagon
And unbelievably, some idiot witnesses to the airplane striking the Pentagon! http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/index.php?title=Pentagon_witnesses
 
Well, well, look who shows up when I mention Pavlov's dog..........:D

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I guess I'm not thinking of 'conspiracy' in the right way. All the events you guys have described I would classify as lying, cheating, stealing, ass covering. But I'll concede that a lot of this could be considered 'conspiracy.' Maybe I'm thinking too James Bond.
 
I've always been very open-minded, but a lot of the stuff going on today is just downright crazy. It goes beyond conspiracy theories to obvious facts. Conspiracy theories often talk about coverups, but man, just have a look at the stuff that they aren't even trying to cover up nowadays.


Yeah, they (the government) have gotten very bold lately. You see how I don't say our government. It seem they don't work for "The People" any longer.
 
I've yet to meet that rare "any person who believes in every conspiracy theory", have you?

Okay, maybe not every conspiracy theory - I'm sure there are some she has yet to hear about. ;)

However, from what I know of her, as soon as she hears about them, she'll believe. :(
 
There is a difference between "conspiracy" and "conspiracy theory". If you need help figuring it out, look it up on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

Enron is NOT evidence that 9/11 was an inside job by our government. It's such a fallacious argument that I'm aghast that people would stoop to use it. Yet they do. The crimes of Enron were committed by a tiny handful of individuals. But Truthers claim thousands of people were involved in perpetrating or covering up the events of 9/11. I've even been accused, here on this forum, of being one of them!

Did I say it was? No. Nor did I mention 9-11. What I did say was that conspiracies happen every day. I also agree with the poster who talked about how we as a populace, have been conditioned to believe talk of a conspiracy should be relegated to some kind of kook bin. This was done for a reason and the reason was to shut down dialogue. Some conspiracies are real and some are not. People should not disregard them until after checking them out to see if they have merit.
 
OK. Trying to figure out what falls under CT -

Reptilians = CT.

Alien grays abductions = CT.

Bohemian Grove = ?

Fed = ?

AIPAC = ?

George W Bush is clinically insane = ?

There are lot of things that fall under CT in the mind of Josephine six pack, but seem to be facts under further examination.
 
Yes!!! I once had a conversation with a friendly inebriate at a Charlotte TGI Fridays who gave me a full report on how the CIA killed Kennedy. I thought he was kinda kooky, though he seemed like a great guy. Now I know he was right on the money with the JFK Assassination-CIA links.
 
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