PEOPLE! NV caucus is NOT ABOUT VOTES

[fmontez]

I will try to explain this... votes do matter, because MR's precinct delegates are going to vote for County MR delegates, who will go to State and then vote for MR national delegates who will attend the National Convention. Now, when you win with more than 50% you pretty much wrap up a huge portion of the delegates.. it's not a complete loss, but please dont' go around saying that the vote doesn't count.. it really does. There is some variance depending on the break down of precincts countywise... but most of NV national delegates will be MR Supporters. That isn't negative, it's just the way it is. So flame away.

No one can say how many delegates a candidate has until they vote, but you can figure 18 to 21 for MR and 4 for RP. <---- best guess from past behavior.

 

[justaguy]

I will try to explain this... votes do matter, because MR's precinct delegates are going to vote for County MR delegates, who will go to State and then vote for MR national delegates who will attend the National Convention. Now, when you win with more than 50% you pretty much wrap up a huge portion of the delegates.. it's not a complete loss, but please dont' go around saying that the vote doesn't count.. it really does. There is some variance depending on the break down of precincts countywise... but most of NV national delegates will be MR Supporters. That isn't negative, it's just the way it is. So flame away.

No one can say how many delegates a candidate has until they vote, but you can figure 18 to 21 for MR and 4 for RP. <---- best guess from past behavior.

I see you posting this in other threads, and I'm wondering how you came to this conclusion. From what I understand, you are incorrect in connecting the voting results to the amount of (county)delegates a person gets (in NV). I'm just looking for how you got your answer.

It seems like you are just estimating national delegates from the straw poll, which seems odd too, because the straw poll isn't connected to county delegates. I guess we will see when NV delegates vote for thier national delegates.

-Chris

 

[lastnymleft]

I will try to explain this... votes do matter, because MR's precinct delegates are going to vote for County MR delegates, who will go to State and then vote for MR national delegates who will attend the National Convention. Now, when you win with more than 50% you pretty much wrap up a huge portion of the delegates.. it's not a complete loss, but please dont' go around saying that the vote doesn't count.. it really does. There is some variance depending on the break down of precincts countywise... but most of NV national delegates will be MR Supporters. That isn't negative, it's just the way it is. So flame away.

So, because the NV delegates aren't committed, NV RP meetups should try to convert the MR *delegates* prior to the county and state elections. They'll be tough nuts to crack, but if we follow this thread, we might have a chance at picking them up, and scooping the national delagates!:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1013383

These caucus delegates are probably people that have already donated to MR. Their names and addresses would be available via FEC page once the 4th quarter figures are in. Filter it to NV donors, then target the lot! Heck, just target the lot, anyway, with a mailing campaign. Sounds like something Richard Viguerrie would do, but we needn't leave it to him - we can target them ourselves.

 

[JustBcuz]

I will try to explain this... votes do matter, because MR's precinct delegates are going to vote for County MR delegates, who will go to State and then vote for MR national delegates who will attend the National Convention. Now, when you win with more than 50% you pretty much wrap up a huge portion of the delegates.. it's not a complete loss, but please dont' go around saying that the vote doesn't count.. it really does. There is some variance depending on the break down of precincts countywise... but most of NV national delegates will be MR Supporters. That isn't negative, it's just the way it is. So flame away.

No one can say how many delegates a candidate has until they vote, but you can figure 18 to 21 for MR and 4 for RP. <---- best guess from past behavior.

If the voters voted for MR delegates like they voted for MR at the straw poll, that would be the case.

We had Ron Paul delegates winning FULL MAJORITIES in MITT ROMNEY precincts. We got the Romney's to vote for us! We are NOT BOUND TO ROMNEY! WE CAN VOTE FOR WHOEVER WE WANT: NAMELY RON PAUL!!! Many of the Romney people could have been delegates, but THEY DIDN'T EVEN RUN!!!

We've taken 8 of 10 delegates in precincts that MITT WON OUTRIGHT (in the straw poll)!

The only thing the straw poll is for is the newspapers & TV stations. It has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on what went down today. The delegate selection is an entirely different animal.

 

[lvp1138]

I will try to explain this... votes do matter, because MR's precinct delegates are going to vote for County MR delegates, who will go to State and then vote for MR national delegates who will attend the National Convention. Now, when you win with more than 50% you pretty much wrap up a huge portion of the delegates.. it's not a complete loss, but please dont' go around saying that the vote doesn't count.. it really does. There is some variance depending on the break down of precincts countywise... but most of NV national delegates will be MR Supporters. That isn't negative, it's just the way it is. So flame away.

No one can say how many delegates a candidate has until they vote, but you can figure 18 to 21 for MR and 4 for RP. <---- best guess from past behavior.

You are incorrect. The NV caucus is about choosing delegates. The voting is A STRAW POLL. Stop arguing this already!

 

[lvp1138]

If the voters voted for MR delegates like they voted for MR at the straw poll, that would be the case.

We had Ron Paul delegates winning FULL MAJORITIES in MITT ROMNEY precincts. We got the Romney's to vote for us! We are NOT BOUND TO ROMNEY! WE CAN VOTE FOR WHOEVER WE WANT: NAMELY RON PAUL!!! Many of the Romney people could have been delegates, but THEY DIDN'T EVEN RUN!!!

We've taken 8 of 10 delegates in precincts that MITT WON OUTRIGHT (in the straw poll)!

The only thing the straw poll is for is the newspapers & TV stations. It has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on what went down today. The delegate selection is an entirely different animal.

Mitt won just about all precincts with the majority of the straw poll. HOWEVER, his followers were not willing to be delegates. In fact we saw more delegates for Mccain than Romney. But Ron Paul got more than half of all delegates on all precints we've checked on and everyone that has posted results of their precincts. And I can assure you, Ron Paul supporters WILL go to the county convention. The others mostly will flake.

 

[Michigan11]

If the voters voted for MR delegates like they voted for MR at the straw poll, that would be the case.

We had Ron Paul delegates winning FULL MAJORITIES in MITT ROMNEY precincts. We got the Romney's to vote for us! We are NOT BOUND TO ROMNEY! WE CAN VOTE FOR WHOEVER WE WANT: NAMELY RON PAUL!!! Many of the Romney people could have been delegates, but THEY DIDN'T EVEN RUN!!!

We've taken 8 of 10 delegates in precincts that MITT WON OUTRIGHT (in the straw poll)!

The only thing the straw poll is for is the newspapers & TV stations. It has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on what went down today. The delegate selection is an entirely different animal.

You sir are awesome, for the work you are doing, and I want to thank you.

 

[Liberty Star]

Great work NV

 

[Carole]

These delegates need to be reported so we know where we stand. It should certainly not be a secret. Too much chance for fraud. They have no right to keep them secret if that is what the GOP is doing.

Can someone get the figures on delegates?

 

[Jenna!]

Goos Fabra

goose fraba!!!

all about the delegates people...

allllll about the dellllagates! good for us!

 

[JustBcuz]

These delegates need to be reported so we know where we stand. It should certainly not be a secret. Too much chance for fraud. They have no right to keep them secret if that is what the GOP is doing.

Can someone get the figures on delegates?

Impossible.

None of us delegates have had to declare a candidate. Some of us have, but I am free to change my mind at anytime should I choose to. Many delegates ran without declaring support for any candidate. Whose delegates are they? Only they know.

There are thousands of delegates to the County Conventions. Many of these will be no-shows.

The GOP may publish a list of all the delegates, after they've confirmed each person. We're all to be contacted before the County Convention. I don't know if they'll publish it or not. That would open up it's own can of worms, as everyone would try to convert all the delegates to Candidate X, Y, or Z.

Look at it this way...everyone who's tied into the campaign has reported their figures to HQ. Pretty much any Ron Paul delegate connects to HQ in a 7-degrees of separation sort of way.

Next up we get organized for County. We're already thinking about it.

 

[Basilieus]

So basically someone could have 51% of the vote and not get ANY delegates?

 

[JustBcuz]

So basically someone could have 51% of the vote and not get ANY delegates?

Theoretically, yes that could happen.

 

[Liberty Star]

Bump

 

[alarga]

Yes--BUT NOT IN THE WAY PEOPLE ARE THINKING, they are selected on Apr 17th or thereabouts at the state convention. All these thousands of county delegates will elect the state delegates in about a month at each county convention. Then at the state convention the state delegates will elect those 34 national convention delegates. BUT THEY ARE ALL 100% UNPLEDGED. So, the delegates will be announced, inasmuch as we will know their names--but there will be NOTHING like "20 delegates for Romney, 10 for paul" etc.

Are these elections secret or open? If open, then it's possible for a campaign with enough money to buy off delegates, no?

Im thinking Romney here, not Paul. But hey - if it comes to it...

 

[ikester8]

Are these elections secret or open? If open, then it's possible for a campaign with enough money to buy off delegates, no?

Im thinking Romney here, not Paul. But hey - if it comes to it...

It's my understanding that this sort of hanky-panky goes on all the time at conventions, especially brokered ones. Delegates, yes, even lowly delegates, are offered cushy gummint jobs in the next administration in exchange for switching their votes. In our case, that would read, "selling out Ron Paul", and that ain't gonna happen. The other guys, on the other hand...still won't get any cushy gummint jobs in a Paul Administration because there aren't going to BE any!

 

[Joe H in Indiana]

Not true - Someone has to go around telling people they are fired. Sounds cushy to me.

 

[jsu718]

This is why delegates are more important than ANYTHING ELSE. Especially with Caucus states. We could win every single one of the caucus states. You just have to stay for it and bring people with you.
Second in importance is being a precinct leader.