People Actually Believe This?

[Morgan Brykein]

I've actually heard this argument a number of times: that the federal government can do whatever it wants, as long as it doesn't violate the Constitution. Have these people not heard of the Tenth Amendment, or at least thought about why the fuck the framers added Article I, Section VIII?

No wonder the nation is going down the tubes.

 

[sevin]

I've actually heard this argument a number of times: that the federal government can do whatever it wants, as long as it doesn't violate the Constitution. Have these people not heard of the Tenth Amendment, or at least thought about why the fuck the framers added Article I, Section VIII?

No wonder the nation is going down the tubes.

Most of these people haven't even read the Constitution. They don't know what they hell they're talking about, but they think they do. That's why this nation is fucked.

 

[DamianTV]

Hence the problem with Democracy. Lets make the majority of the people fucking stupid, tell them the government can do what ever it wants, then get them to vote for it! Just vote away all your precious freedoms. Good luck getting em back, of course, these same people are so stupid if you were to come to their house and shit on their coffee table and tell them it was a special order sausage pizza, theyd probably believe you.

 

[romacox]

I've actually heard this argument a number of times: that the federal government can do whatever it wants, as long as it doesn't violate the Constitution. Have these people not heard of the Tenth Amendment, or at least thought about why the fuck the framers added Article I, Section VIII?

No wonder the nation is going down the tubes.

Many, like Obama who is a Constitutional attorney, interpret the word "welfare" used in the three times in the Constitution (one of them in the preamble), in modern terms. They say the word welfare gives the government the power to do anything that is in the best interest of the people. These things are being taught in our colleges.

***IV. A very important note:

In teaching the Constitution one needs to keep in mind that the meaning of words have been deliberately changed from the time of our Founding fathers to the Present. Below is a link to Webster's dictionary in 1913 and 1828. One can compare that with a modern version. http://machaut.uchicago.edu/websters

For example: The word "welfare" is used in the Preamble of the Constitution, and the 1828 edition of the word is: "2. Exemption from any unusual evil or calamity, the enjoyment of peace and prosperity, or the ordinary blessings of society and civil government; applied to states." In today's Webster's edition "welfare is defined as "receiving government aid because of poverty, etc.

Thomas Jefferson stated, " Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."

It is interesting to type in words like protect, democracy, republic and democratic republic to see how much that has changed. It is very surprising.

read full article here http://ezinearticles.com/?Teaching-the-Constitution&id=3418852

 

[Sola_Fide]

Can't wait to see Rand educate these morons about the Ninth and Tenth Amendments on the floor of the Senate.


C-span holla!

 

[seeker4sho]

I've actually heard this argument a number of times: that the federal government can do whatever it wants, as long as it doesn't violate the Constitution. Have these people not heard of the Tenth Amendment, or at least thought about why the fuck the framers added Article I, Section VIII?

No wonder the nation is going down the tubes.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, the framers over looked the big picture. Take a look at reality. The frame work itself is flawed. The Federal Government can do anything it wants to do because they have all of the power. The Federal Government is in control of taxes and collections (IRS), money supply, the military, and the judiciary. Any disputes between the Feds and the States/people the Supreme Court (Fed) is the arbitrator and judge. On the other hand any disputes between the States/people and the Fed, those disputes are arbitrated and judged by the Feds. See the the conundrum?

Although The Constitution says the States and people have rights --Article 10 -- who is going to enforce those rights? No document is worth very much if it cannot be enforced. Sure we may succeed in turning over the Congress and make some changes but the fact is it will only be a matter of time before the tyrants get in control again.

 

[romacox]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, the framers over looked the big picture. Take a look at reality. The frame work itself is flawed. The Federal Government can do anything it wants to do because they have all of the power. The Federal Government is in control of taxes and collections (IRS), money supply, the military, and the judiciary. Any disputes between the Feds and the States/people the Supreme Court (Fed) is the arbitrator and judge. On the other hand any disputes between the States/people and the Fed, those disputes are arbitrated and judged by the Feds. See the the conundrum?

Although The Constitution says the States and people have rights --Article 10 -- who is going to enforce those rights? No document is worth very much if it cannot be enforced. Sure we may succeed in turning over the Congress and make some changes but the fact is it will only be a matter of time before the tyrants get in control again.

Much the same was said about Nazi Germany, Apartheid in South Africa, British rule in India, the American Revolution, Womens's right to vote, black freedom in America.... These things exist only because we, the people, allow it, and it will take much to now defeat it.

 

[seeker4sho]

Much the same was said about Nazi Germany, Apartheid in South Africa, British rule in India, the American Revolution, Womens's right to vote, black freedom in America.... These things exist only because we, the people, allow it, and it will take much to now defeat it.

You are correct. We now live in a police State where just professing your innocence can get you a lengthy prison sentence (Martha Stewart). Assassination and torture is legal in this country.

 

[Acala]

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, the framers over looked the big picture. Take a look at reality. The frame work itself is flawed. The Federal Government can do anything it wants to do because they have all of the power. The Federal Government is in control of taxes and collections (IRS), money supply, the military, and the judiciary. Any disputes between the Feds and the States/people the Supreme Court (Fed) is the arbitrator and judge. On the other hand any disputes between the States/people and the Fed, those disputes are arbitrated and judged by the Feds. See the the conundrum?

Although The Constitution says the States and people have rights --Article 10 -- who is going to enforce those rights? No document is worth very much if it cannot be enforced. Sure we may succeed in turning over the Congress and make some changes but the fact is it will only be a matter of time before the tyrants get in control again.

What you describe is true now but it wasn't set up that way. The Supreme Court was not designated by the Founders as the final word on Federal power. Jefferson was furious when John Marshall assumed that power for the Court. The ultimate check on Federal power was intended to be secession. It was assumed that since the States had joined the compact voluntarily because it was in their interest, they could leave peacefully if it was no longer in their interest. Secession was the ultimate check on Federal power. But that check on Federal power was ripped away with incredible violence during the war against the States. After that, the only limit on Federal power was what they could get away with without starting a revolution.

 

[Cowlesy]

I've actually heard this argument a number of times: that the federal government can do whatever it wants, as long as it doesn't violate the Constitution. Have these people not heard of the Tenth Amendment, or at least thought about why the fuck the framers added Article I, Section VIII?

No wonder the nation is going down the tubes.

On average, in my experience, most citizens have no clue about anything political.

 

[AFPVet]

I believe that the 2nd Amendment was the enforcement system. The question is... would law enforcement and military side with the Constitution or the corporate gangsters?

The good news is that a growing number of law enforcement and military are members of Oath Keepers!

 

[romacox]

On average, in my experience, most citizens have no clue about anything political.

Yes, and our schools have played a big part in bringing that about. If you check out the IMF and WTO websites (both receive mandates from the Federal Reserve) they say they influence education, religion and labor (among other things to influence their goal of "one world governance".

However, thanks to Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Michele Bachmann and to many of you, people are learning. I have a friend in the Tea Party who became aware of some things during this administration. She told me she was surprised that "even George Bush was involved in this stuff".

 

[Anti Federalist]

You are correct. We now live in a police State where just professing your innocence can get you a lengthy prison sentence (Martha Stewart). Assassination and torture is legal in this country.

That^^^

Just because the GULAGS are not full or the ovens going 24/7, does not mean that the nation has not entered into "hot" tyranny.

It has, make no mistake about it.

Torture, rendering and becoming an "unperson" is all now a matter of settled law.

On average, in my experience, most citizens have no clue about anything political.

Shocking, clueless ignorance of an appalling level is mostly what I see.

Not the slightest idea of how anything works in the system of control, let alone the idea of how it should be.

they don't even know how it is.

 

[Old Ducker]

That^^^

Just because the GULAGS are not full or the ovens going 24/7, does not mean that the nation has not entered into "hot" tyranny.

It has, make no mistake about it.

Torture, rendering and becoming an "unperson" is all now a matter of settled law.



Shocking, clueless ignorance of an appalling level is mostly what I see.

Not the slightest idea of how anything works in the system of control, let alone the idea of how it should be.

they don't even know how it is.

"Bottom line: We are at war with ourselves. Split souls, a hero, a demon. But we do not like ourselves, can no longer face ourselves in the mirror. Why? Our dark side is winning. The other has surrendered. We have lost our “self” in denial. Now the Righteous Right is bullying us with hope of redemption. False hope. That’s suicide."

http://theburningplatform.com/blog/2010/08/24/world-war-iii/