Paul over Orlando! - Skyspot Advertizing.

[tangent4ronpaul]

WOW!

All I have to say is what I said before, I don't like being misled through either miscommunication, misunderstanding or incompetence. And I really don't like fellow supporters being a victim of it either.

I didn't mean to mislead anyone and am under the impression he's doing it for cost. My apologies if anyone is miffed.

I did not specifically ask him this time. Last time he charged exactly the same amount and said that was at cost.

He's been doing this for 5 years so it's a good bet that paying off the aircraft and light system is part of his factored operating costs. The drag of the sign is going to eat a lot of gas and he looses bulbs every flight.

What he does is spectacular and I think we got a good deal for our money.

-t

 

[parocks]

WOW!

All I have to say is what I said before, I don't like being misled through either miscommunication, misunderstanding or incompetence. And I really don't like fellow supporters being a victim of it either.

Tangent's projects lead to chip-ins really quickly. I often get on Tangent's projects, sometimes to help them along, because some of the ideas in the project aren't bad.
But you'll often see me saying something like "let's wait until we get farther ahead until we talk about chip-ins" on a Tangent project.

Here's a google link
http://www.google.com/#pq=airplane+...gc.r_pw.&fp=ec3e3d4789820f55&biw=1279&bih=640

They'll tell you how much it costs to do what Tangent is doing.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

This is the kind of stuff that is FUN. I applauded and still do. I didn't donate and if I did I would be upset like everyone else. Why? Because the pics and video are the payoff, a huge part of the "fun"...lesson learned I'm sure but people shouldn't be trying to push efforts like this away. It's priceless grassroots fun that all other candidates would die for but could never get there part time zombie followers to do. It goes a long way in proving we are NOT centralized astroturf.

Well, we are working on making it happen tomorrow and getting video then. I'm not happy that we didn't get footage either. I don't think we've ever missed getting a youtube when Paul has been on TV, but not a single sole pulled out their cell phone and captured a few minutes of this. We did ask people to film it.

It's not too late to donate.

 

[rnestam]

Agree that video is key to this project and many other projects that involve "world's most pointless sign". What's the Guinness record for deepest underground campaign sign? It's not 2007 any more.

I don't think we need to prove we are NOT centralized astroturf.

hahaha, awesome. Sad part is "the Deepest Underground Campaign Sign" would probably get more press than a Republican wanting to bring the troops home. We should have a sub-forum called "worlds most pointless sign" where people can donate to ridiculous stuff all they want in peace. Might actually take off...

 

[trey4sports]

I really don't get why this got any traction. We're not battling name recognition any more. We need to be doing direct mail, phone banking and things that actually win elections. The campaign could actually target voters with that money. Nobody is going to vote for Ron Paul because they saw a plane flying around with a Ron Paul banner.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Tangent's projects lead to chip-ins really quickly. I often get on Tangent's projects, sometimes to help them along, because some of the ideas in the project aren't bad.
But you'll often see me saying something like "let's wait until we get farther ahead until we talk about chip-ins" on a Tangent project.

Here's a google link
http://www.google.com/#pq=airplane+...gc.r_pw.&fp=ec3e3d4789820f55&biw=1279&bih=640

They'll tell you how much it costs to do what Tangent is doing.

I believe this is my third chipin. 2007 Skyspot, 2007 banner tow and 2011 Skyspot.

Perhaps you could refresh my memory on all these other chipins i've done?

the cost of what I'm doing...

well, lets see - different company on the west coast (who's using some RP video Roger shot for us) charges what...

http://www.sign-in-sky.com/Pricing.aspx

20 spots for $400
200 spots for $3,800

If you notice in the video in the OP each "spot" is about 5 seconds.

5 seconds x 20 spots = 1 min and 40 seconds of ad time. for $400
5 seconds x 200 spots = 16.6 minutes of ad time fpr $3,800

Or SkySpot's 1 hour of ad time for $1,500

Yeah dude - we are soooo trying to rip you off!

 

[parocks]

but you forget that it's not your money. and you're opinion is one of thousands. and if you were a true supporter of the whole idea of individual liberty and freedom, you wouldn't spend so much time trying to direct others on how to spend their money. it's not your problem. it had absolutely no bearing on your life whatsoever if a couple people decide to chip in and do something you disagree with. just don't contribute, and voice your opinion, and get over it. just don't think that for some reason anyone else should give a damn what you think.

I do think that because I have a good track record of being right, people should give a damn what I think.

I'm not nice about it, but I'm constantly working to be right.

And everyone else should do that.

People look up at an expensive sign and think "that's a waste of money". And then they see "Ron Paul." And then they (could) think "Ron Paul is in favor of wasting money."

I'm a Ron Paul supporter. But I don't think that I'm a "true supporter of the whole idea of individual liberty and freedom." I'm a Republican. I want Limited Constitutional Government. But I'm not an anarchist.

Might you also try to remember, this was YESTERDAY, I was the one who brought YOU to this thread. That was ME, not Tangent, who apparently does not pay attention to what people are saying on HIS OWN THREAD. I remembered that, and I called you here. And

So, yes, I'm talking down this project. And yes I typically talk down Tangent's projects.

But who was it who got the video guy for this project, a project that I don't even like?

ME

So, yes, people should listen to me.

What you could have done is say "we're spending $1500 on this project, and instead of picking Gage up at the airport, someone else will pick him up, and I will shoot the video to make this project less of a fail." I'm not blaming you for not doing that, because doing what you were planning on doing is a good thing, but we would've solved the video problem that way.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

I really don't get why this got any traction. We're not battling name recognition any more. We need to be doing direct mail, phone banking and things that actually win elections. The campaign could actually target voters with that money. Nobody is going to vote for Ron Paul because they saw a plane flying around with a Ron Paul banner.

Because other candidates would kill for supporters like us.

Because if it gets any media coverage we hit a home run

Because slogans like:

Bye, Bye IRS - Wish I could say it's been fun
and
Pasta4Paul - why do people donate their grocery money to this man? Google Ron Paul and u will 2

are the kind of things that will get people to check out Paul.

As to name recognition, there was a poll earlier this year and Paul is at 85 percent name recognition among likely Republican voters. We still need to work at it.

 

[Jack Daw]

@ Tangent

I appreciate you stepping up and taking leadership and trying to raise money to give Ron Paul exposure; many of us rallied to help. It some aspects, it was a win; I think you could have been more forthright (i.e. $1500 for gas), but the plane did fly and some people must have seen it, but it's not our 'best' win. What if we don't raise the money for tomorrow?

I think you were really focused on just getting the plane in the air(?), and maybe not the whole dynamic. It was more than just the plane in the air, but the footage to be recycled, over and over. Additionally, the footage to inspire the supporters, in which the project recycles itself giving life to more projects like itself, and also to set an early example for others to follow. That was the other half of the 'Value'. There, we failed. We could have been a better steward of the situation in that regard.

To sure the point, if we had photos this morning, for people to see what they were being a part of (donating yesterday), we'd already have the money for Saturday.

The grassroots needs leaders, but focused leaders; more-so, thought-through, and experienced, and I'd hope you'd take this experience and grow. Being 'grassroots', these things are to be expected, hopefully not, but they do happen.

Personally, I spent a lot of time promoting this yesterday; I bet on you. If we were the '3 stooges', honestly, I would've 'moe'd' you a few times this morning.

But hey, it flew, hopefully somebody caught something.

Let's do better in the future.

 

[parocks]

hahaha, awesome. Sad part is "the Deepest Underground Campaign Sign" would probably get more press than a Republican wanting to bring the troops home. We should have a sub-forum called "worlds most pointless sign" where people can donate to ridiculous stuff all they want in peace. Might actually take off...

Yes. Yes it would. Troublesome, but true.

How about a "Terrible Grassroots Ideas" section.

We can all just suggest that terrible ideas get moved to the terrible ideas section. Some people like to spend money on terrible ideas. And I would admit, if I'm going to go to the terrible ideas section to call something a terrible idea, I would be a poor sport under those circumstances.

 

[lucky_bg]

During wednesday and thursday I posted on FB and tweeted link to this thread appealing to people to consider taking part in this grassroots project. That way they could see 2007 video and Chip In in OP and be sure it is Ron Paul grassroots project by Ron Paul Forums members.

Right now, I don't know what to do. I can't post link to this thread. We don't want to advertise all ill feelings, mistrust and accusations expresed here, don't we?

 

[ZanZibar]

I really don't get why this got any traction. We're not battling name recognition any more. We need to be doing direct mail, phone banking and things that actually win elections. The campaign could actually target voters with that money. Nobody is going to vote for Ron Paul because they saw a plane flying around with a Ron Paul banner.

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[ZanZibar]

Because if it gets any media coverage we hit a home run

How many press releases did you send out about it, and to whom?

We got message out even if no one filmed it a lot of people saw it. That's not a failed project.

How many impressions did it produce? More importantly, how many votes did it gain?

It flew!

How do we know that?

 

[surf]

it's not cool to bust folks balls on projects. a lot of us took part in the RP college football airforce in 2007 soliciting donations either through chip-ins or other donations and a lot of out-of-pocket expenses.

i'd like to think that this is part of the reason we are where we are at now (good and bad). and i'm excited to see it happen again.

 

[parocks]

I really don't get why this got any traction. We're not battling name recognition any more. We need to be doing direct mail, phone banking and things that actually win elections. The campaign could actually target voters with that money. Nobody is going to vote for Ron Paul because they saw a plane flying around with a Ron Paul banner.

Well, I'm in agreement 100%. I'd actually argue that things like direct mail, phone banking and things that actually win elections could wait a bit. But, obviously, these are the things we have to do, and have to do a lot of.

I suspect that the campaign has rolled out its phone from home so early because of the idle hands / devil's workshop problem.

But we don't need more blimps / blimptype activities.

$1500 could go to a Frat at the University of Iowa or Iowa State University.

http://uiowagreeks.com/home

 

[Jack Daw]

Agreed.

lol... hilarious, BUT it wasn't a sign. It wasn't name recognition. It was a message. It can make a 'point'. We are still messaging and persuading. I do think however, there should have been better organization concerning strategic messaging.

 

[MJU1983]

Some people just like to argue... It's very helpful (sarcasm).

 

[parocks]

How many press releases did you send out about it, and to whom?

How many impressions did it produce? More importantly, how many votes did it gain?

How do we know that?

Well, I think we do know that it flew. Pasta said so, and Pasta is trustworthy enough to pick Gage up at the airport.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

@ Tangent

I appreciate you stepping up and taking leadership and trying to raise money to give Ron Paul exposure; many of us rallied to help. It some aspects, it was a win; I think you could have been more forthright (i.e. $1500 for gas), but the plane did fly and some people must have seen it, but it's not our 'best' win. What if we don't raise the money for tomorrow?

I think you were really focused on just getting the plane in the air(?), and maybe not the whole dynamic. It was more than just the plane in the air, but the footage to be recycled, over and over. Additionally, the footage to inspire the supporters, in which the project recycles itself giving life to more projects like itself, and also to set an early example for others to follow. That was the other half of the 'Value'. There, we failed. We could have been a better steward of the situation in that regard.

To sure the point, if we had photos this morning, for people to see what they were being a part of (donating yesterday), we'd already have the money for Saturday.

The grassroots needs leaders, but focused leaders; more-so, thought-through, and experienced, and I'd hope you'd take this experience and grow. Being 'grassroots', these things are to be expected, hopefully not, but they do happen.

Personally, I spent a lot of time promoting this yesterday; I bet on you. If we were the '3 stooges', honestly, I would've 'moe'd' you a few times this morning.

But hey, it flew, hopefully somebody caught something.

Let's do better in the future.

Well thanks for those kind words.

I really do think it's important that it flies tomorrow. Partially because it's the straw poll and hopefully we will have another win. Partially because getting that footage, even if it's a day late would turn this into a total win.

But lets say it doesn't fly. Figuring out who gets how much of a refund would be a total pain and some people might get upset. Everyone after $1,500 was raised, or divide by donors equally - except some people donated $5 and others $50 so the $5 people might get back more than they donated. Total mess.

So far we have about $500 raised for the second flight. I still think we should push and try to get it over the straw poll, but as an alternative I could pass by Roger if he's be willing to take the $500 and the next time he is over Orlando he hook up with Pasta for about 20 minutes of ad/film time.

-t

 

[lucky_bg]

We need new thread to finish this. If Pasta will be reponsible to contact Roger and record flight, he should start it. Or Tangent. This is his idea after all, and I still think a good one.

And I am politely asking all people that have ill feelings about idea per se, or costs or whatever else, to keep their feelings to themselves, so that we who want to finish this project can promote it without embarrassing ourselves, Ron Paul Forums, or Ron Paul grassroots in general.