Paul-McCain Debate

[TexasAggie09]

If McCain doesn't want to do it I'd be more than happy with Ron challenging Hillary and Obama to a debate. To me that would generate much more attention. Ron would absolutely bend them over the table. It would also give him the oppurtunity to show that Obama, Clinton, and McCain aren't that different. It would draw both conservative and liberal audiences.

 

[Feelgood]

Paul - Obama debate?

Ok, how bout we just go right for the jugular, and go after the presumptive (almost) Democratic nominee? He will blow Obama or any of the others out of the water. Assume the sale, and debate the presumptive (almost) for the Dems. Would be great to watch...

 

[JMann]

Unfortunately Dr. Paul would probably perform as poorly in a two person debate as he did in the other debates. If we learned anything new about Dr. Paul during the campaign is that he is an absolutely awful debater.

 

[Omphfullas Zamboni]

Awful?

Unfortunately Dr. Paul would probably perform as poorly in a two person debate as he did in the other debates. If we learned anything new about Dr. Paul during the campaign is that he is an absolutely awful debater.

He's had his points:

Paul VS Giuliani
The response about Musharraf
Answer to the, "Electability" question
Infamous McCain headshake

What he lacked were showmanship, and verbal imagery and the ability to connect his ideas with analogies from daily living. In the end he did have content, forbearance, and conveyed sincerity, often. To me, that makes the congressman a competent debater, (if not great, then fair).

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,
Omphfullas Zamboni

 

[devil21]

Id love to see that but sadly I must acknowledge it would never happen and such a challenge would probably be easily deflected by McCain's camp and probably in a manner damaging to RP. Not to give them ideas...but responding that McCain is too busy campaigning as the Republican nominee to debate 5% Paul and probably something about RP wanting publicity to sell his book. McCain does hold the cards right now and the MSM is backing him up on it. After all this time, we still sometimes forget that we are still dealing with a 95% moron population.

 

[brooklyn]

Paul-McCain debate

Perhaps this can be best served by placing some full page ads in papers like the NY Times, LA Times, Chi. Sun, Wash.Post, Chi. Tribune, Wall St Journal demanding a Republican debate.
Suggestions please. Lets keep the ball rolling. Perhaps a chip-in.

 

[eleganz]

I think we, as Ron Paul supporters should demand Ron Paul to debate McCain. Ron Paul may not have the confidence in winning anymore as he continuously states that he'll stay in the race as long as we keep sending money. but WE WANT RP IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

How can we send this message to Ron Paul??

 

[Knightskye]

I wonder how Anderthun Coopur would manage to silence Ron in a one on one debate..?

I think the audience would revolt and start booing whenever Anderson started talking.

That said, stack the audience with Paul supporters.

 

[pinkmandy]

I think we, as Ron Paul supporters should demand Ron Paul to debate McCain. Ron Paul may not have the confidence in winning anymore as he continuously states that he'll stay in the race as long as we keep sending money. but WE WANT RP IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

How can we send this message to Ron Paul??

I think if we did it we should make it a challenge to McCain to win us over, unite the party like he says he can do. PROVE IT.

 

[brooklyn]

Great angle. Now we need to get it out there.
We will be looking into prices for ads tomorrow.
Keep suggestions coming!

 

[Mahkato]

AC: The first question, I'll give you 20 minutes to respond, is for John McCain
*20 minutes later*
AC: and a 20 minute rebuttal to yourself, john?
*20 minutes later*
AC: a followup question for mccain, 25 minutes
*25 minutes later*
AC: Congressman paul, all of your supporters are 9/11 truthers. You also received a donation from a white supremacist. Are you a truther or a supremacist?
Paul: well, I...
AC: we'll get back to you later congressman. Mccain, you looked like you had a comment - 20 minutes

...

+1

Also:
AC: Congressman Paul, are you planning to run third party? 20 minutes.

 

[mczerone]

While this thread has been an entertaining diversion this evening, we do know McCain has nothing to gain by doing this, and will just paint us as sore losers if he responds at all, right?

If anyone Really wants this - you need to give him (McCain) Something that he wants, namely: no delegate interference towards him being nominated.

Work a pledge with a state coordinator or even HQ directly: If McCain debates, if it is 'fair', we go away - he can have the GOP nomination. He doesn't have to 'win' the debate, he just has to show up. Our supporters then wear no Ron Paul stuff, and pull no 'tricks' when it comes to voting for the GOP nominee, but are allowed to participate in all level conventions to help shape the direction of the party.

That is the only deal I see working to get a debate - to get Paul's ideas some MSM time with McCain's purchased responses. I'd like to see some cross-examination between the two.

 

[TruthAtLast]

While this thread has been an entertaining diversion this evening, we do know McCain has nothing to gain by doing this, and will just paint us as sore losers if he responds at all, right?

If anyone Really wants this - you need to give him (McCain) Something that he wants, namely: no delegate interference towards him being nominated.

Work a pledge with a state coordinator or even HQ directly: If McCain debates, if it is 'fair', we go away - he can have the GOP nomination. He doesn't have to 'win' the debate, he just has to show up. Our supporters then wear no Ron Paul stuff, and pull no 'tricks' when it comes to voting for the GOP nominee, but are allowed to participate in all level conventions to help shape the direction of the party.

That is the only deal I see working to get a debate - to get Paul's ideas some MSM time with McCain's purchased responses. I'd like to see some cross-examination between the two.

Even if Ron Paul and HQ agreed to that deal, this has grown out of Ron Paul's control. He can't stop his "supporters" even if he wanted to.

 

[mczerone]

Even if Ron Paul and HQ agreed to that deal, this has grown out of Ron Paul's control. He can't stop his "supporters" even if he wanted to.

I didn't mean they would follow, I meant that the order would be given.

Deep in my heart I wish it would happen, he would take the 'deal', and our delegates would nominate Paul anyway.

I just want to use what leverage we have on the GOP before it evaporates during the general election.

 

[Knightskye]

While this thread has been an entertaining diversion this evening, we do know McCain has nothing to gain by doing this, and will just paint us as sore losers if he responds at all, right?

If anyone Really wants this - you need to give him (McCain) Something that he wants, namely: no delegate interference towards him being nominated.

Work a pledge with a state coordinator or even HQ directly: If McCain debates, if it is 'fair', we go away - he can have the GOP nomination. He doesn't have to 'win' the debate, he just has to show up. Our supporters then wear no Ron Paul stuff, and pull no 'tricks' when it comes to voting for the GOP nominee, but are allowed to participate in all level conventions to help shape the direction of the party.

That is the only deal I see working to get a debate - to get Paul's ideas some MSM time with McCain's purchased responses. I'd like to see some cross-examination between the two.

If I had to choose between delegate intervention and a Paul-McCain debate, I'd pick the delegate intervention. Screw it. The sheep wouldn't care about a debate. Take over the nomination.

 

[loveshiscountry]

The Dems had a couple of two candidate debates.
Could you imagine how RP would handle Mcwar one on one?
Remember the one question RP posed to Mcwar on economics that had him stuttering and scratching his head?

McCain reminded me of Ralph Kramden in the Honeymooners trying to answer that question. .......humina, humina, humina

 

[intelliot]

Paul wouldn't have to go negative. He could simply float it out there..

Interviewer: "So, why haven't you quit the race yet? McCain is the nominee."
Paul: "Well, the convention is months away, so there is still plenty of time."
Interviewer: "But won't you support him if he is the nominee?"
Paul: "He would have to change his views on the war, monetary policy, economic policy, etc. before I would do that."
Interviewer: "Do you see him doing that?"
Paul: "Not really, but we have never been given the opportunity in all those debates to talk about issues of substance. If McCain would like to do that sometime, I would be glad to join him in a Lincoln-Douglas debate such as Clinton proposed to Obama. It would help conservative Americans see where he stands on Republican principles."

Bam!

Headline: Paul challenges McCain to Lincoln-Douglas debate

Very interesting idea. We were talking about the Lincoln-Douglas debates in one of my classes recently. Transcripts are online-- someday when I have a lot of time, I'd like to read them. My professor said he has read them, and they're very good and detailed, with more substance than you'd care to know. Apparently, one of their debates went for 7 hours! Nobody today has that kind of attention span anymore.

 

[mczerone]

If I had to choose between delegate intervention and a Paul-McCain debate, I'd pick the delegate intervention. Screw it. The sheep wouldn't care about a debate. Take over the nomination.

While some States have seen strong delegate turnout for Paul, I can't see the National Convention being overrun. If the Campaign thinks that there is a probability greater than even 5% of the delegate plan working, I'd say go for it.

But to think that, they'd better have some info that I don't have about how many delegate votes they can pull in states that aren't Alaska, Nevada or Louisiana. Big states like CA actually voted for McCain, and I'd imagine those delegates are not going to be changing stripes after any number of hypothetical rounds of voting.

Again, anyone who can be a delegate should be, if only to shape the platform of the party, and to work toward those leadership positions in the future. And it would be great if there were enough delegates to even make the nomination questionable, but All evidence points to this not being the case.

At least with a 1v1 debate on national TV, more people would realize that McCain is a tool, and that Ron Paul really knows his stuff. I think it would help open our movement to even more people, or at least show the fallacies of many of McCain's positions (and thus also Obama's and especially Clinton's).

I'd also like to see an Obama/Paul debate for the under-30 voters, to contrast the positions of the two and call Obama out as a Statist.