Paul gets 40% of the vote near Fargo, crowd was 90% Paul

[Travlyr]

Why would anyone think there was fraud? Obviously the GOP leaders want to give Ron a fair shot. None of them benefit from the current crony fascist state that Ron is trying to end.

Exactly. The man who draws the biggest crowds is the loser. His ceiling is 11%. It's always been 11% and it will always be 11%. The fact that most state delegates are not picked until April means nothing. Ron Paul's ceiling is 11%. CNN always tells the truth. Get over it.

 

[Travlyr]

How could anybody possibly think Ron Paul could win? The boys & girls in Washington D.C. tell us he is unelectable. He's unelectable. No matter what the people want.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Muf23Rc7HV8

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

How could anybody possibly think Ron Paul could win? The boys & girls in Washington D.C. tell us he is unelectable. He's unelectable. No matter what the people want.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Muf23Rc7HV8

looking at the youtube picture... poor kids =(. They will have to shoulder the hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt.. each. Poor us T_T.

 

[sunsense]

Unicorns exist. Prove me wrong

It doesn't work that way.

You made the claim. Prove it !

 

[Highstreet]

obviously many were just visitors and not local attendees. Did you verify every id and caucus goer? exactly lots of supporters mean nothing if they are not local to that precinct/caucus!

People don't "visit" a caucus. They go there to vote.

 

[kylejack]

Look, we did quite well in the Fargo area. We won 4 districts in the area.

 

[JJ2]

OK, I have now crunched the numbers and it is worse than I thought.

Assuming that all of the votes went to the 4 candidates, there were 2,306 total votes in the 10 Fargo-area districts that caucused at the Ramada ballroom in Fargo (Districts 11, 13, 16, 21, 22, 27, 41, 44, 45, 46).

CNN estimated that there were about 2,500 people at the Fargo caucus. So the theory that there were a ton of out-of-area Paul supporters visiting is false. At most there were perhaps a couple hundred such people, if any at all.

The "official" results from these 10 districts shows that Rick Santorum won the Fargo caucus, with him and Paul each winning 5 districts each but Santorum winning the 10 overall. Here are the results from the Fargo caucus:

Santorum 878 38.1%

Paul 787 34.1%

Romney 528 22.9%

Gingrich 113 4.9%

Total 2306 100%

So if you add (at most) a couple hundred Paul supporters (from out of town) to his total, that would mean that there were about 1,000 Paul supporters out of 2,500 people in the crowd. That would mean that Paul supporters made up about 40% of the crowd--a minority. Anyone who was there or who watched the live stream knows that this is not possible. It was a running joke among all the speakers there that it was an overwhelmingly Paul-dominated crowd. They were not a minority.

There is no way that there were 1,519 Santorum/Romney/Gingrich supporters there. There is no way there were 878 Santorum voters there. Unless they all showed up with less than an hour left to the voting, after Paul spoke? Can anyone confirm how many were there when Paul spoke?

You can find the results for each district on the map at the official ND GOP website, here: http://www.northdakotagop.org/caucus/

Here is the list of districts which were caucusing in Fargo: http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ucus+districts+22+45&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

So, the thread title should say: Paul gets 34% of the vote near Fargo, crowd was 90% Paul

 

[parocks]

OK, I have now crunched the numbers and it is worse than I thought.

Assuming that all of the votes went to the 4 candidates, there were 2,306 total votes in the 10 Fargo-area districts that caucused at the Ramada ballroom in Fargo (Districts 11, 13, 16, 21, 22, 27, 41, 44, 45, 46).

CNN estimated that there were about 2,500 people at the Fargo caucus. So the theory that there were a ton of out-of-area Paul supporters visiting is false. At most there were perhaps a couple hundred such people, if any at all.

The "official" results from these 10 districts shows that Rick Santorum won the Fargo caucus, with him and Paul each winning 5 districts each but Santorum winning the 10 overall. Here are the results from the Fargo caucus:

Santorum 878 38.1%

Paul 787 34.1%

Romney 528 22.9%

Gingrich 113 4.9%

Total 2306 100%

So if you add (at most) a couple hundred Paul supporters (from out of town) to his total, that would mean that there were about 1,000 Paul supporters out of 2,500 people in the crowd. That would mean that Paul supporters made up about 40% of the crowd--a minority. Anyone who was there or who watched the live stream knows that this is not possible. It was a running joke among all the speakers there that it was an overwhelmingly Paul-dominated crowd. They were not a minority.

There is no way that there were 1,519 Santorum/Romney/Gingrich supporters there. There is no way there were 878 Santorum voters there. Unless they all showed up with less than an hour left to the voting, after Paul spoke? Can anyone confirm how many were there when Paul spoke?

Also, CNN at one point said that District 22 had 60 votes for Paul, 19 for Santorum, 9 for Romney, and 1 for Gingrich. The "official" results for District 22 show Santorum 77, Romney 47, Paul 46, and Gingrich 16. If nothing else, we know that they threw away at least 14 of Paul's votes.

Links? keep watching this. I'd recommend that you find links to articles reporting from Fargo.

 

[JJ2]

Links? keep watching this. I'd recommend that you find links to articles reporting from Fargo.

I added a couple of links to the post.

 

[Feelgood]

If I kill someone and there is no evidence of it, did it happen?

No. Proof = OJ Simpson

 

[JJ2]

Links? keep watching this. I'd recommend that you find links to articles reporting from Fargo.

From WDAY Fargo: "It was vibrant, loud, and youthful crowd here at the Ramada Plaza to listen to current presidential candidate Ron Paul give his speech. Despite being in fourth place heading into the night, with this crowd, you would've thought he was the front-runner." "Of all four candidates, the loudest of ovations overwhelming came from Paul supporters." http://www.wday.com/event/article/id/60198/

However, CBS News says there were only 500 people in the crowd:

Just before the North Dakota polls closed on Tuesday, Ron Paul took the stage at a Fargo-area caucus here to make his final appeal in a state the Texas lawmaker hoped would mark his first win of the presidential primary cycle.

"Are we going to win? We always win!" Paul shouted to about 500 people gathered in a hotel room adjacent to where caucus voting was taking place.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57392042-503544/ron-paul-tells-supporters-we-always-win/

And another article says:

A crowd of several hundred people are gathering in the Ramada Plaza Suites’ Crystal Ballrooms in anticipation of the candidate’s speech tonight.

[...]

In anticipation of large crowds in Fargo, the GOP has opened up two of the Ramada’s Crystal Ballrooms – spanning an estimated 10,000 square feet that can hold about 800-1,000 people.

Paul’s campaign has also set up several flat-screen TVs outside the ballroom to accommodate an overflow audience, if necessary.

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/353251/group/News/

 

[ZanZibar]

http://www.chron.com/news/article/US-Rep-Paul-fails-to-get-1st-win-in-ND-caucuses-3387404.php

 

[parocks]

We should've kicked ass there. We should've been able to get 1000+ votes there. Either we did and there was fraud, or we just didn't.

 

[bluesc]

http://www.chron.com/news/article/US-Rep-Paul-fails-to-get-1st-win-in-ND-caucuses-3387404.php

Samuelson, who will turn 18 before the election, brought three of Paul's books to the end-of-the-evening announcement, hoping to have them signed. He left when he found out Paul lost.

"Oh, he didn't win? Guess he's not cool anymore. Nevermind. I'll throw the books away."

What a crap story. If you guys keep expecting victory when it never happens, you should either change strategy or look into the possibility of fraud and go third party to bury the GOP.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Of course it is fraud. Big time fraud. Not 2-3%.

 

[JJ2]

Here's the video of Paul's speech in Fargo:



And a shot of the crowd:

 

[ZanZibar]

go third party to bury the GOP.

How many times does this have to be explained, sore loser combined with ballot access laws, essentially make a 3rd party run non-viable.

 

[Carson]

Paul gets 34% of the vote near Fargo, crowd was 90% Paul

It looks like Ron Paul does well in donations there also. Check out the link and the chart half way down the page.

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2012/02/ron_paul_outraising_mitt_romne.php

 

[JJ2]

Here is an interesting video from the Fargo caucus last night of a Paul campaign staffer handing out stickers and making sure every Paul supporter voted before they leave the hotel! (He should have counted the number! )

 

[priest_of_syrinx]

Of course it is fraud. Big time fraud. Not 2-3%.

It wasn't in Grand Forks. I had friends who watched the ballots being counted, and they confirmed that ballot after ballot was Santorum. Paul won my district handily, but other districts were a giant frothy mess.