Paul gets 40% of the vote near Fargo, crowd was 90% Paul

[Carson]

Why would anyone think there was fraud? Obviously the GOP leaders want to give Ron a fair shot. None of them benefit from the current crony fascist state that Ron is trying to end.

I can't tell if your kidding.?

The global network of central banks might not find him favorable, though in time a healthy ecconomy should benefit them.

Anyway this is one of the reasons why one might be suspect.

Did you see this Ben Swann report?

For me personally this is proof. Listen to Matt McDonald. He sounds truthful to me. If so, the fraud could run much deeper than just his area. You can multiply the fraud by one, or any number you want, but you can't divide it by zero.


Matt is at about 3:29 if you want to jump ahead.



This video is from an old thread (Ben Swann Streaming 30 Minute Special Tonight!!!);

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?363005-Ben-Swann-Streaming-30-Minute-Special-Tonight!!!

 

[JJ2]

Here is an interesting video from the Fargo caucus last night of a Paul campaign staffer handing out stickers and making sure every Paul supporter voted before they leave the hotel! (He should have counted the number! )

The guy filming said: "The bulk of the people have arrived, and have voted already." And there are tons of people streaming out, with only a few coming in (including some Paul voters!). So that does away with the theory that "non-Paul people came late" or that it was only a high % of Paul supporters when Paul was speaking.

Then the guy in the background says something like: "99% of the people who were voting, voted for Ron Paul." And the person he was talking to says: "Really?"

There were a handful of people from Minnesota, but that's it. There was one woman carrying a Santorum sign vs. tons of Paul signs.

There is no way you can watch that video and tell me that 66% of those people are non-Paul voters!

 

[malkusm]

Ever heard of Chicken Little? The boy who cried wolf?

If you claim fraud in every state where we finish a close second place, no one is going to take you seriously. Even when you're right.

 

[wrestlingwes_8]

there was no fraud. i doubt the 90% or 70% figure is correct. bottom line the gop will nominate status quo!

obviously many were just visitors and not local attendees. Did you verify every id and caucus goer? exactly lots of supporters mean nothing if they are not local to that precinct/caucus!

Were you there?? NO, so quit speculating and spreading disinformation! ANYONE that was there will tell you that the crowd was easily 90% Ron Paul supporters. HOWEVER, I was only referring the THE SEPARATE ROOM which the caucus vote took place in. NO ONE was in this room except for people eligible to vote in the ND caucus. AT THE VERY VERY VERY LEAST Ron Paul supporters made up 50% of the people caucusing. I would put the number somewhere between 65-75% though. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT AN EXAGGERATION.

For those of you who wish to continue to live in fantasy land about this election, then I feel sorry for you. There is proof of voter fraud in other states and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if this was the case for ND as well.

 

[wrestlingwes_8]

Ever heard of Chicken Little? The boy who cried wolf?

If you claim fraud in every state where we finish a close second place, no one is going to take you seriously. Even when you're right.

Those same people already don't take us seriously so there is no loss there.

 

[NoOneButPaul]

Oh damn...and here I was about to compliment everyone for not automatically whining about fraud with zero proof tonight. And you had to go and ruin it.



This is not only true, but Ron knows it. And I would bet he is COUNTING on that. I don't think anyone in the Paul camp still has dreams of sleeping in the White House come next January. That is not what he is after. He is trying to get his voice heard.


No offense..but if he really wanted to win, he hasthe WORST campaign team ever. Look at all the exit polls to see what I am talking about. Notice two obvious trends. First, that the percentage of voters poslled who were 18-29 is VERY small. So small that some didn't even bother putting their results up since the sample size was too small for any real accuracy. And second, that as you move up in the age brackets, those voting for Ron Paul drops like a stone. From 35-40% in the 18-29 for to single digits over 60.

So...if someone was REALLY trying to win, they wouldn't devote all their time and money with these rock star party like rallies on college campuses, preaching to the choir. You would reach out to the large percentage of voters who you needto convert.
Let's face it...it is A LOT easier to get college kids to hang out with their friends in a party atmosphere. They will pound a few drinks, then head over to the gym and whoop it up with the others. And once they leave at the end of the night, many never think about Ron Paul again. Many others may actually like Ron Paul, but there is a big differnece between hanging out with friends on a Wednesday night in a rally and getting your hungover ass out of bed on a Saturday morning to caucus for 2-3 hours.

Ron Paul might get 2000 people at a rally while Romney gets only 500. But all 500 of Romney's people will likely vote while only 20% of those college kids probably will. And meanwhile, he is ignoring the segment hat he really needs. (Or he is expecting WAY too much from his suporters to do on their own.)

So why is he doing it? Because those rock star rallies are getting him on shows like Piers Morgan where he can be heard by a national audience.

It really wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't even WANT to be president. I mean, any actuarial table probably has him dying before a 2nd term would be up at this point. I am sure any of his retirement accounts are paying him more than 1/9 of its principle anually at this point. And being president horribly ages even young people. Look at Bush in 2000 compared to 2009. And look at Obama today compared to 2008.

(Note: I looked it up and the life expectancy of a man his age is just under 9 1/2 years, so I guess he WOULD survive two terms...though the stress factor would weigh heavily on him.)

That is why, don't be surprised if Ron Paul DOES make deals that you don't expect (or perhaps WANT) him to make at the convention. Even in the EXTREMELY unlikely chance that there is a brokered convention, he will not have enough to win, and no one will give their delegates to him. But if he can leverage the delegates he has to get a bigger voice for the next 4 years. (or even just during the general election campaign) he may very well think that is the best thing for the movement even after he is gone.


Of course, pointing out the exit polls not favoring Ron Paul campaigning on college campuses so much caused me to bget blasted over at DP, but no one that blasted me even tried to refute what I said. So all I ask if you disagree if be an adult and tell me where I am wrong...Why else wouldn't he be campaigning with small, but much more likely to vote crowds in more intimate locations if he was really trying to up those numbers?

You might not want to hear it, but this is pretty spot on.

 

[mr_x]

the people in this thread that weren't at the fargo caucus need to listen to those that were. i was there, and there was an *overwhelming* number of ron paul supporters. you had to look carefully to find santorum or romney supporters; you did not have to look for paul supporters, because you were always *surrounded* by them. i don't know for sure if there was fraud or not, but seeing what i saw, i don't know how in the hell paul lost. i was there 45 minutes before it started to 30 minutes before it closed (my friends stayed till it closed), and every indication that me and my friends saw was that paul would win in a landslide.

 

[Travlyr]

the people in this thread that weren't at the fargo caucus need to listen to those that were. i was there, and there was an *overwhelming* number of ron paul supporters. you had to look carefully to find santorum or romney supporters; you did not have to look for paul supporters, because you were always *surrounded* by them. i don't know for sure if there was fraud or not, but seeing what i saw, i don't know how in the hell paul lost. i was there 45 minutes before it started to 30 minutes before it closed (my friends stayed till it closed), and every indication that me and my friends saw was that paul would win in a landslide.

Very similar at our caucus last month. Ron Paul supporters everywhere. Our precinct went total Ron Paul 3 county delegates and 3 alternates. The three delegates for Ron Paul. The announced total for the entire caucus was Ron Paul 58 - Mitt Romney 57. The official report by the media... Ron Paul 11%. It makes NO sense.

 

[Ender]

You might not want to hear it, but this is pretty spot on.

YOU may not want to hear this:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/politicaltheatre/

Report From Idaho
Posted on March 7, 2012 by Lew Rockwell

Writes a friend:

I'm writing in disappointment after a long night at the local caucus. However, it might interest you to know about it.

I was in Coeur d'Alene, the county seat of Kootenai County, Idaho. There were several caucus locations, and I was at the 2nd largest location, the CDA Resort.

I was amazed by the number of Paul supporters. Pretty much everyone who was passionate about their candidate was supporting RP or Santorum. Very few Romney or Gingrich supporters at all. There were lots of the young RP supporters we hear so much about, but also many, many grey military vets and even a traditional (Latin Mass) Catholic priest with RP stickers and signs. The RP representative got the most raucous applause after speaking, with Santorum's video earning polite applause, and Gingrich's campaign not even bothering to send a representative.

Anyway, when we got down to voting, I think all of the RP supporters were energized by the idea of making a difference. We stood in line, cast our votes, and after the first count a huge cheer went up as the announced RP winning (I won't recall exact #s but these are close) around 215 of 601 total registered attendees. Santorum had about 160, Romney around 115 and Gingrich around 90 (some people had left, they explained, which was why the counts were off). They called in the results to the precinct chair, and I think I speak for all of us when I say there was a bit of stunned silence before the Santorum supporters started whooping it up as the chair announced that county-wide Santorum was ahead by a large margin.

RP won every single time we voted (4 in all). Yet every time they called in the results to the precinct, the overall results showed RP in 2nd to Santorum. The last vote was at midnight, and the networks had long ago called the state for Romney.

I'm not sure what to think of the conspiracy theories about widespread vote fraud. But I know in the caucus I witnessed, RP won by a country mile-- and yet here we sit, with not a single delegate. To say I've lost some faith in the system isn't accurate, since I never had much to begin with. But I am tired and discouraged, and am more convinced than ever that we the people have no real voice in this process.

As we stood watching the vote counting, a priest explained to me that RP was the only true pro-life candidate. He also said he hoped that Paul would run third-party. After this mess, I have to agree. I told one old man, a local state representative who confessed to voting for GW Bush twice before coming to his senses and supporting RP, that I wouldn't cross the street for any of the candidates, yet here I was near midnight away from my warm bed and my family to support Ron Paul. He ruefully said in reply, "Well, I'll have to do more than cross the street for one of them, since I can't vote for Obama." I think this sums up the vice that the powers that be have us in. As you and your writers have been saying for years, the establishment puts up two puppets, and we get to fight each other over which one to elect.

I won't play that game again. I'll write in RP if I have to, or vote straight Constitution Party. But I (and I suspect many of the others at this caucus) will never be taken in by the system.

 

[Travlyr]

YOU may not want to hear this:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/politicaltheatre/

Report From Idaho
Posted on March 7, 2012 by Lew Rockwell

Writes a friend:

I'm writing in disappointment after a long night at the local caucus. However, it might interest you to know about it.

I was in Coeur d'Alene, the county seat of Kootenai County, Idaho. There were several caucus locations, and I was at the 2nd largest location, the CDA Resort.

I was amazed by the number of Paul supporters. Pretty much everyone who was passionate about their candidate was supporting RP or Santorum. Very few Romney or Gingrich supporters at all. There were lots of the young RP supporters we hear so much about, but also many, many grey military vets and even a traditional (Latin Mass) Catholic priest with RP stickers and signs. The RP representative got the most raucous applause after speaking, with Santorum's video earning polite applause, and Gingrich's campaign not even bothering to send a representative.

Anyway, when we got down to voting, I think all of the RP supporters were energized by the idea of making a difference. We stood in line, cast our votes, and after the first count a huge cheer went up as the announced RP winning (I won't recall exact #s but these are close) around 215 of 601 total registered attendees. Santorum had about 160, Romney around 115 and Gingrich around 90 (some people had left, they explained, which was why the counts were off). They called in the results to the precinct chair, and I think I speak for all of us when I say there was a bit of stunned silence before the Santorum supporters started whooping it up as the chair announced that county-wide Santorum was ahead by a large margin.

RP won every single time we voted (4 in all). Yet every time they called in the results to the precinct, the overall results showed RP in 2nd to Santorum. The last vote was at midnight, and the networks had long ago called the state for Romney.

I'm not sure what to think of the conspiracy theories about widespread vote fraud. But I know in the caucus I witnessed, RP won by a country mile-- and yet here we sit, with not a single delegate. To say I've lost some faith in the system isn't accurate, since I never had much to begin with. But I am tired and discouraged, and am more convinced than ever that we the people have no real voice in this process.

As we stood watching the vote counting, a priest explained to me that RP was the only true pro-life candidate. He also said he hoped that Paul would run third-party. After this mess, I have to agree. I told one old man, a local state representative who confessed to voting for GW Bush twice before coming to his senses and supporting RP, that I wouldn't cross the street for any of the candidates, yet here I was near midnight away from my warm bed and my family to support Ron Paul. He ruefully said in reply, "Well, I'll have to do more than cross the street for one of them, since I can't vote for Obama." I think this sums up the vice that the powers that be have us in. As you and your writers have been saying for years, the establishment puts up two puppets, and we get to fight each other over which one to elect.

I won't play that game again. I'll write in RP if I have to, or vote straight Constitution Party. But I (and I suspect many of the others at this caucus) will never be taken in by the system.

Yeah. It makes no sense at all. The guy with the most support is losing? WTF? It makes no sense at all.

 

[wrestlingwes_8]

the people in this thread that weren't at the fargo caucus need to listen to those that were. i was there, and there was an *overwhelming* number of ron paul supporters. you had to look carefully to find santorum or romney supporters; you did not have to look for paul supporters, because you were always *surrounded* by them. i don't know for sure if there was fraud or not, but seeing what i saw, i don't know how in the hell paul lost. i was there 45 minutes before it started to 30 minutes before it closed (my friends stayed till it closed), and every indication that me and my friends saw was that paul would win in a landslide.

Thank you! Yet another person confirming what we all witnessed in Fargo.





"The table is tilted folks, the game is rigged. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care" ~George Carlin

.

 

[wgadget]

obviously many were just visitors and not local attendees. Did you verify every id and caucus goer? exactly lots of supporters mean nothing if they are not local to that precinct/caucus!

I wanna know what kind of kook would "visit" a caucus.

 

[wrestlingwes_8]

I wanna know what kind of kook would "visit" a caucus.

Paul spoke at the same venue that the caucus was held at so some of the people there traveled from MN or SD to hear him speak. However, that still doesn't change the fact that the majority of the people in the separate room where the caucuses were held were Ron Paul supporters as well. A fact that some people on this board choose to ignore time and time again.

 

[wgadget]

Ever heard of Chicken Little? The boy who cried wolf?

If you claim fraud in every state where we finish a close second place, no one is going to take you seriously. Even when you're right.

IIRC, it was not a close second in ND.

 

[KMX]

The guy filming said: "The bulk of the people have arrived, and have voted already." And there are tons of people streaming out, with only a few coming in (including some Paul voters!). So that does away with the theory that "non-Paul people came late" or that it was only a high % of Paul supporters when Paul was speaking.

Then the guy in the background says something like: "99% of the people who were voting, voted for Ron Paul." And the person he was talking to says: "Really?"

There were a handful of people from Minnesota, but that's it. There was one woman carrying a Santorum sign vs. tons of Paul signs.

There is no way you can watch that video and tell me that 66% of those people are non-Paul voters!

Around 600 people said yes on this video.

 

[Lavitz]

Also, CNN at one point said that District 22 had 60 votes for Paul, 19 for Santorum, 9 for Romney, and 1 for Gingrich. The "official" results for District 22 show Santorum 77, Romney 47, Paul 46, and Gingrich 16. If nothing else, we know that they threw away at least 14 of Paul's votes.

Sorry, but this part isn't true. I checked the CNN video, and they never say it's District 22. The woman says it an "at-large" district, whatever that means. And when the reporter turns around and walks in the opposite direction toward the District 27 table, you can clearly see the District 22 table next to it if you freeze at about 1:41.

 

[eff]

You need to look at the people walking by that didn't have stickers or signs of any kind and maybe assume that they were Santorum voters. I went in with my mother and father in-laws and the only sticker they were offered was from the Ron Paul guy, which they declined. They voted (for santorum no doubt) and immediately left long before Paul spoke. Sure, there were a lot of RP people there but I wasn't convinced we would win for sure. I guess the guy giving out stickers would know better than anyone. He must have seen people coming and going while the rest of us were watching Paul speak. Also, when I was walking out, 2 kids turned around after being told not to forget to vote. A couple others said they had voted but I could tell that they didn't. For whatever reason, I think a lot of people just showed up to watch the speech.

 

[JJ2]

Sorry, but this part isn't true. I checked the CNN video, and they never say it's District 22. The woman says it an "at-large" district, whatever that means. And when the reporter turns around and walks in the opposite direction toward the District 27 table, you can clearly see the District 22 table next to it if you freeze at about 1:41.

Interesting. Thanks. I edited my post.

So I wonder if those "at-large district" votes got counted in the statewide total, since they wouldn't be on the results map??

I still find it interesting that whenever there is a live televised count, Ron Paul dominates (see Adelson caucus).

 

[JJ2]

Robert Wanek was also there, including in the caucus room, and he confirms that Paul dominated!

 

[parocks]

It makes sense that we would win "at large". I believe "at large" is probably people from North Dakota, not from the Fargo districts. Anyone from ND could vote anywhere.