Paul Festival just might help get more delegates

[Deborah K]

Ron is fighting the good fight. He says he's going to stay in until the end, and the campaign is doing everything possible to win delegates. There are approximately 521 delegates up for grabs at the convention, and there will be more with Santorum dropping out. We intend to invite all delegates to the Paul Festival to experience the message of freedom, and have a lot of fun doing it!

As with other events that this team has organized, where Dr. Paul has attended, it will be peace loving and family oriented. The goal is to have a bona fide festival, so there will be musical acts (of different genres), comedy, speakers, celebrity appearances with pictures and autographs, book signings, big screens showing Dr. Paul's famous speeches, vendors of all sorts, and really great food! Anything that is adult oriented will be held during the evening hours.

We plan to invite all the high-profile celebrities, musicians, comedians, athletes, politicians, speakers, authors - you name it- who have shown support or endorsed Dr. Paul. This will provide us with an opportunity to expose their fans/supporters to Dr. Paul's message, while enjoying appearances by their favorite celebrities.

The venue we are in the process of contracting with is the State Fairgrounds which holds about 100k people. Here is our website: www.paulfestival.com

And here is another thread on the the festival: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?370745-Paul-Festival-Tampa-FL-Aug.24-26

This is our chance at shifting the paradigm. Imagine 100s of thousands of Ron Paul supporters converging on Florida during the convention with the message of freedom. This Festival is in honor of the Founding Father of this movement. Be a part of history.

 

[kathy88]

Booked and READY!!!!!!

 

[nobody's_hero]

I really think the name should be changed, so that it doesn't seem as much about the man as the message.

But, I'll go regardless, just to meet the faces behind the posts here.

I also want to shake the hand of each and every veteran who will show up to the march outside the RNC.

 

[Aratus]

ronvoy convoy, yes!!!

 

[liberalnurse]

Booked and READY!!!!!!

 

[Deborah K]

I just read a very interesting post on FB from the "I AM THE TEA PARTY" group. They're basically saying that they're voting for Ron in their primary and they're catching all kinds of hell from some of their members which number in the 10s of thousands! Here is a quote from the original status:

I didn't want to share this with you guys but I feel I must. I am personally going to be voting for Ron Paul in the primary despite how I feel about "some" of his foreign policy approaches.........Ron Paul has COMPLETELY changed the tone of the debate and educated millions on his platforms whether you are for or against him. He has been a positive force thus far. NO ONE can take that from him!

He goes on to complain about the NOBP strategy, but it's very telling. I've been watching this group for a while. Most of them have been neo-con-ish, but a lot of them seem to be waking up! Overall good news here.

 

[Deborah K]

I really think the name should be changed, so that it doesn't seem as much about the man as the message.

But, I'll go regardless, just to meet the faces behind the posts here.

I also want to shake the hand of each and every veteran who will show up to the march outside the RNC.

We settled on this name because we want to honor not only the message, but the man. We see him as the founding father of the freedom movement.

 

[tbone717]

I really think the name should be changed, so that it doesn't seem as much about the man as the message.

Agreed. It reeks of hero worship.

 

[Deborah K]

Agreed. It reeks of hero worship.

Really? So nothing should ever be named after anyone?

 

[Ivash]

No, you *have* to use his name if you want this to help you win in Tampa. Spreading libertarianism is important on every other day of the year- but during the convention the goal is to get people to back your candidate, not your message (the two are related, but in the end different things).

 

[kathy88]

No, you *have* to use his name if you want this to help you win in Tampa. Spreading libertarianism is important on every other day of the year- but during the convention the goal is to get people to back your candidate, not your message (the two are related, but in the end different things).

Agreed.

 

[camp_steveo]

There are not many living heroes in this world. Dr Paul is one of them.

 

[tbone717]

Really? So nothing should ever be named after anyone?

If the intention is to reach out to the general public then it should have another name. If the intention is to play to the existing base, then I suppose you are fine with what you have. The prevailing opinion out and about is that RP supporters are fanatical, not about advancing a cause, but about exalting a man. I just feel naming an event after him, adds to this viewpoint.

But I suppose it is too late for that anyway, so enjoy your event.

 

[Aratus]

ronvoy to the tampa rEVOLUTIOn festival

 

[nobody's_hero]

If the intention is to reach out to the general public then it should have another name. If the intention is to play to the existing base, then I suppose you are fine with what you have. The prevailing opinion out and about is that RP supporters are fanatical, not about advancing a cause, but about exalting a man. I just feel naming an event after him, adds to this viewpoint.

But I suppose it is too late for that anyway, so enjoy your event.

Unfortunately, this is true. If only I had a dollar for every time someone refered to us as a 'cult,' I could simply buy the U.S. government from Goldman Sachs and give it back to the people.

But as I said, I'll go regardless, because if this delegate thing doesn't work out, I want to meet the people I can count on when the SHTF.

 

[Deborah K]

If the intention is to reach out to the general public then it should have another name. If the intention is to play to the existing base, then I suppose you are fine with what you have. The prevailing opinion out and about is that RP supporters are fanatical, not about advancing a cause, but about exalting a man. I just feel naming an event after him, adds to this viewpoint.

But I suppose it is too late for that anyway, so enjoy your event.

Calling us a cult is just the newest attack on us, because we are uncompromising in our principles, aka we won't vote for Flip Flopney if he's the nominee. All we have to do is dismiss it out of hand and argue the facts. Did they call people who quoted Franklin, or Jefferson, or Madison, or Paine, idol worshipers or a cult? It's ridiculous. That kind of attack will only work on us if we let it. It's the dumbest tactic they've tried yet. Please. Do you operate out of fear, because I certainly do not!

 

[cheapseats]

Calling us a cult is just the newest attack on us,

It is NOT new.

I do NOT return to discourage but to warn, please bear with me.

 

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[I would also mention that my connectivity has also been dodgy of late.]


ARE or are NOT the Fairgrounds part of the quote-unquote CLEAN ZONE? Map at link:


http://fairgrounds.wtsp.com/news/news/113826-clean-zone-protecting-lives-or-trampling-liberty

Tampa, Florida -- The Tampa City Council voted unanimously to continue the first reading of the so-called "Clean Zone" temporary ordinance proposed by Mayor Bob Buckhorn for the Republican National Convention.

The issue will be brought up again on April 19 at 9:30am.

Photo Gallery: Occupy protesters rally against Clean Zone

Councilmembers expressed concern about the holes in the ordinance as written now and the size of the "Clean Zone."

They also defended the city against criticism that water guns would be banned in the zone, but people with concealed weapons permits would still be able to carry a gun.

Councilman Harry Cohen said those upset about that should take their concerns to the state Legislature because local government's hands are tied.

Councilwoman Montelione pointed out a water gun could be used as a weapon if certain substances are put inside of it.

It was also pointed out that officers will use discretion when it comes ot the list of banned items and that people carrying the banned items with the intent to do harm would be targeted by law enforcement.

Councilmembers heard about an hour of public comment, extending the public comment time so everyone had an opportunity to let their concerns be heard.

Every speaker spoke out against the proposed ordinance, calling it an infringement on their right to free speech. The main point of contention seems to be the proposal that groups of more than 50 people who want to protest will not only have to obtain a permit, but limit their protest time to one hour.

The council will take the next couple of weeks to continue to research the concerns of the public and their own concerns.

A few members of the council also said they'd support extending the time people have to protest.

Earlier Report:

Tampa, Florida -- Thousands of protesters are expected in Tampa for the Republican National Convention in four months.

Should the City of Tampa adopt major restrictions to control the relatively small number of demonstrators who plan to be violent?

That's the question city leaders face this morning as they debate a so-called "Clean Zone" law.

On one hand, you have Tampa's proposed Clean Zone ordinance.

In a large part of the city during August's Republican Party Convention, it would put restrictions on large gatherings, and it lays out a list of things you can't carry and can't do.

 

[seeker4sho]

Ron is fighting the good fight. He says he's going to stay in until the end, and the campaign is doing everything possible to win delegates. There are approximately 521 delegates up for grabs at the convention, and there will be more with Santorum dropping out. We intend to invite all delegates to the Paul Festival to experience the message of freedom, and have a lot of fun doing it!

As with other events that this team has organized, where Dr. Paul has attended, it will be peace loving and family oriented. The goal is to have a bona fide festival, so there will be musical acts (of different genres), comedy, speakers, celebrity appearances with pictures and autographs, book signings, big screens showing Dr. Paul's famous speeches, vendors of all sorts, and really great food! Anything that is adult oriented will be held during the evening hours.

We plan to invite all the high-profile celebrities, musicians, comedians, athletes, politicians, speakers, authors - you name it- who have shown support or endorsed Dr. Paul. This will provide us with an opportunity to expose their fans/supporters to Dr. Paul's message, while enjoying appearances by their favorite celebrities.

The venue we are in the process of contracting with is the State Fairgrounds which holds about 100k people. Here is our website: www.paulfestival.com

And here is another thread on the the festival: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?370745-Paul-Festival-Tampa-FL-Aug.24-26

This is our chance at shifting the paradigm. Imagine 100s of thousands of Ron Paul supporters converging on Florida during the convention with the message of freedom. This Festival is in honor of the Founding Father of this movement. Be a part of history.

Please make an announcement when you secure the contract with the fairgrounds.

 

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinio...-04-12/Marine-Stein-Facebook-Obama/54233850/1

Video at link, which I have not viewed.

The Constitution guarantees that Americans can say pretty much whatever they like, but it's also understood that many jobs come with strict — and perfectly legal — limits on speech.


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Just ask Ozzie Guillen, the Miami Marlins' baseball manager whose praise for Fidel Castro got him suspended for five games after fans in the team's Little Havana neighborhood erupted in fury. Like many private employers, Guillen's bosses were free to discipline him for hurting the business.

Employment-related speech limits also apply to lawyers (who can't publicly disparage judges), reporters (no opinions about issues you're covering) and many others. In the public sector, the limits are especially strict for members of the active duty military.
The military rules, which date to the Civil War, are there for good reasons: to ensure that the military remains politically neutral and respects the civilian chain of command, and to maintain order and discipline in an organization where the willingness to follow orders is crucial.

USATODAY OPINION

About Editorials/Debate

Opinions expressed in USA TODAY's editorials are decided by its Editorial Board, a demographically and ideologically diverse group that is separate from USA TODAY's news staff.

Most editorials are accompanied by an opposing view — a unique USA TODAY feature that allows readers to reach conclusions based on both sides of an argument rather than just the Editorial Board's point of view.

Which brings us to the case of Gary Stein, a Marine sergeant at Camp Pendleton in California who is accused of repeatedly breaking these rules on Facebook, including his own page and one he started for a group called the Armed Forces Tea Party.

Stein frequently posts derogatory material about President Obama, including superimposing Obama's face on a movie poster that labels the commander in chief "jackass number one." He urges his Facebook followers (including nearly 29,000 on the Armed Forces Tea Party page) to vote against Obama. Most significant, during a heated online debate over whether U.S. servicemembers could be tried in Afghanistan for burning the Quran, he said, "As an active duty Marine, I say screw Obama and I will not follow any orders from him … I will not salute him … Obama is the … enemy." Stein later modified that statement to say he would refuse to obey any "unlawful" order from Obama.

If Stein were a civilian, his views on the commander in chief wouldn't be a problem. But he's not, and when he enlisted, he agreed to live by the rules. Instead, he chose not just to cross the line but to gallop past it.

A Defense Department directive explicitly bars active-duty personnel from publishing "partisan political articles, letters or endorsements signed or written by the member that (solicit) votes for or against a partisan political party, candidate or cause." Stein's "screw Obama" rant also ran afoul of Article 134 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which bars behavior that harms the "good order and discipline in the armed forces" or brings "discredit on the armed forces."

Last week, a Marine administrative panel recommended that Stein receive an "other than honorable" discharge, and the decision now rests with Stein's commanding general. Stein and his lawyers argue that he was within his free speech rights, and that the military's rules are vague enough to be unconstitutional.

In fact, the rules are complex. Active-duty servicemembers are allowed to put political bumper stickers on private vehicles and send letters to the editor, as long as they state that their views are their own, and they don't advocate voting for or against a candidate. The rules were written before the explosion of social media sites such as Facebook and Twitter, and they're overdue for an update. But any reasonable definition of "publish" includes publicly posting an opinion where some 29,000 followers can read it.

The military can't, and shouldn't, prohibit servicemembers from spouting off in the relative privacy of the barracks. Such grousing dates to the Revolutionary War. But that's different from publicly posting insubordinate comments for all the world to see — a principle that the vast majority of servicemembers understand.

VETERANS are planning to march separately and first, is that correct? WHY?