PATRIOTS Have stormed capitol building - Masses Breached Barriers

[pcosmar]

It is my opinion, the January 6th event was planned in an attempt to make it look like there was some kind of insurrection.

They hired actors to climb the walls and riot at one end of the building, while opening the doors on the other end of the building to trap those who would enter.

They needed to change the story..from a Million Pissed Off Americans Peacefully addressing a Grievance,,to an attack on the Capitol.

They used Provocateurs and Mercenaries.. and the Media Reported it as an insurrection. Effectively Changing the story.

 

[Snowball]

It is my opinion, the January 6th event was planned in an attempt to make it look like there was some kind of insurrection.

They hired actors to climb the walls and riot at one end of the building, while opening the doors on the other end of the building to trap those who would enter.

I think Trump is guilty. I remember the day well, and what he encouraged.

Letting go of him is what we should all be doing. Move On.

 

[sparebulb]

Letting go of him is what we should all be doing. Move On.

^^^THIS^^^

 

[ClaytonB]

They needed to change the story..from a Million Pissed Off Americans Peacefully addressing a Grievance,,to an attack on the Capitol.

They used Provocateurs and Mercenaries.. and the Media Reported it as an insurrection. Effectively Changing the story.

 

[69360]

J6 committee just issued 4 criminal referals to the DOJ for Trump. 2024 campaign is getting better all the time.

 

[TheTexan]

J6 committee just issued 4 criminal referals to the DOJ for Trump. 2024 campaign is getting better all the time.

All they're doing is just guaranteeing that he'll be the 2024 nominee. Not that it matters. Whoever the Republicans run in 2024 is destined to lose regardless.

 

[69360]

All they're doing is just guaranteeing that he'll be the 2024 nominee. Not that it matters. Whoever the Republicans run in 2024 is destined to lose regardless.

DeSantis would win.

Trump could very well be barred from holding office on both the classified document case and insurrection.

 

[pcosmar]

Trump could very well be barred from holding office on both the classified document case and insurrection.

documents are a Red Herring.. and there was no Insurrection.

repeating that lie makes you seem really Stupid.

 

[TheTexan]

DeSantis would win.

lol. Ronald Reagan could run and he would still lose.

The left completed their coup in 2020. They will not allow anyone on the right to win unless they want that person to win. DeSantis and Trump would be shut down immediately. For any Republican to win ever again, they'll have to be left of Mitt Romney

 

[TheTexan]

documents are a Red Herring.. and there was no Insurrection.

repeating that lie makes you seem really Stupid.

I dunno, it's within the realm of possibility that the left can pull off such a "conviction"

But yes if 69360 thinks there's any merit to either claim then he is indeed stupid

 

[Sonny Tufts]

Trump could very well be barred from holding office on both the classified document case and insurrection.

Don't see how stealing the documents (whether they were classified or not is immaterial --- they didn't belong to Trump) supports barring him from office. True, 18 USC 2071 provides for such a disqualification, but it's doubtful that this is constitutional. See http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...n-2024&p=7127260&highlight=Powell#post7127260

The 14th Amendment, on the other hand, does bar someone from holding any office under the United States who, having previously taken an oath as a federal officer to support the Constitution, engages in insurrection or rebellion or gives aid and comfort to the enemies thereof [it's a bit unclear whether "thereof" refers to the United States or the Constitution; probably the former]. Congress can remove this disability by a 2/3 vote of each house.

It's patently obvious that Trump violated his oath to support the Constitution, not only by sitting on his butt while rioters invaded the Capitol but also by his attempts to get people to ignore the election results and declare him the winner via unconstitutional means. But whether these violations are covered by the 14th Amendment (which, after all, was aimed at former Confederate officials) raises some thorny legal issues. Since Congress has the power to remove the disqualification or let it stand (assuming it applies in the first place), SCOTUS might very well say that it's a political question and punt the matter to Congress.

 

[TheTexan]

Don't see how stealing the documents (whether they were classified or not is immaterial --- they didn't belong to Trump) supports barring him from office. True, 18 USC 2071 provides for such a disqualification, but it's doubtful that this is constitutional. See http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...n-2024&p=7127260&highlight=Powell#post7127260

The 14th Amendment, on the other hand, does bar someone from holding any office under the United States who, having previously taken an oath as a federal officer to support the Constitution, engages in insurrection or rebellion or gives aid and comfort to the enemies thereof [it's a bit unclear whether "thereof" refers to the United States or the Constitution; probably the former]. Congress can remove this disability by a 2/3 vote of each house.

It's patently obvious that Trump violated his oath to support the Constitution, not only by sitting on his butt while rioters invaded the Capitol but also by his attempts to get people to ignore the election results and declare him the winner via unconstitutional means. But whether these violations are covered by the 14th Amendment (which, after all, was aimed at former Confederate officials) raises some thorny legal issues. Since Congress has the power to remove the disqualification or let it stand (assuming it applies in the first place), SCOTUS might very well say that it's a political question and punt the matter to Congress.

It's funny how blatantly ignoring the Constitution only matters when it comes to Trump.

Every single President in history should have been excluded from running based on their clear opposition to the Constitution, as should basically every member of congress currently in office (with perhaps 2 exceptions).

 

[69360]

lol. Ronald Reagan could run and he would still lose.

The left completed their coup in 2020. They will not allow anyone on the right to win unless they want that person to win. DeSantis and Trump would be shut down immediately. For any Republican to win ever again, they'll have to be left of Mitt Romney

DeSantis won by 20 points including Broward and Miami-Dade. People like him, he would win a general election. Romney could win as well.

 

[cjm]

It's patently obvious that Trump violated his oath to support the Constitution, not only by sitting on his butt while rioters invaded the Capitol ....

A lot of people fit this description ("sitting on his butt"). You're not really claiming that sitting on one's butt during an alleged insurrection is "engaging in insurrection or rebellion or gives aid and comfort..."

If that's your argument, you need to apply it to everyone who, like Trump, said "go home" and sat on their butts.

 

[TheTexan]

DeSantis won by 20 points including Broward and Miami-Dade. People like him, he would win a general election. Romney could win as well.

I hope DeSantis does get the nomination in 2024.

If only to prove to you and others like you just how broken the system is.

DeSantis would get slaughtered in a federal election. Not because he isn't popular (he is), but because of the extensive cheating that takes place in states with big cities.

 

[69360]

A lot of people fit this description ("sitting on his butt"). You're not really claiming that sitting on one's butt during an alleged insurrection is "engaging in insurrection or rebellion or gives aid and comfort..."

If that's your argument, you need to apply it to everyone who, like Trump, said "go home" and sat on their butts.

Trump incited the events of the day. He got a group of weak minded followers all worked up on nonsense and sent them off toward the capital. When given a chance to ask said people in the capital to stop, he chose not to for several hours.

 

[69360]

I hope DeSantis does get the nomination in 2024.

If only to prove to you and others like you just how broken the system is.

DeSantis would get slaughtered in a federal election. Not because he isn't popular (he is), but because of the extensive cheating that takes place in states with big cities.

Funny how that goes. DeSantis himself tried to find election cheats, Turns out there were less than 20 in the whole state of Florida.

 

[TheTexan]

Trump incited the events of the day. He got a group of weak minded followers all worked up on nonsense and sent them off toward the capital. When given a chance to ask said people in the capital to stop, he chose not to for several hours.

Contesting an election, and getting people riled up about stealing an election, isn't incitement by any stretch of the imagination.

Anyone who says otherwise, it's basically saying it should be illegal to make people angry about something. Should everyone who hyped up the George Floyd thing be held accountable for all the buildings that burned down? Either yes or no, can't have it both ways.

 

[TheTexan]

Funny how that goes. DeSantis himself tried to find election cheats, Turns out there were less than 20 in the whole state of Florida.

I do not follow Florida politics very closely, but I imagine the winner of an election would have very little motivation to find cheaters.

 

[69360]

Contesting an election, and getting people riled up about stealing an election, isn't incitement by any stretch of the imagination.

Anyone who says otherwise, it's basically saying it should be illegal to make people angry about something. Should everyone who hyped up the George Floyd thing be held accountable for all the buildings that burned down? Either yes or no, can't have it both ways.

I the quote was "Go to the capital and fight like hell"?

Yes I think the people who incited the looters and arsonists should be prosecuted.