Pakistan on Verge of Collapse

[rpfan2008]

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[A. Havnes]

That they will, and those F#$@ing nuts will think it's the 4th of July. This is a real threat.

So, how would a non-intervention foreign policy stop this? This has me confused, and I'm afraid our government is going to do something completely stupid in response.

 

[JdotRdot]

He asked a valid question. It does not call for you to insult him. Either put up with something better than a wikipedia citation or back off.

i admit i lashed out, but you equally do the same...wiki is completely valid, it has plenty of references to committee reports & other official documents & reports

 

[orafi]

So, how would a non-intervention foreign policy stop this? This has me confused, and I'm afraid our government is going to do something completely stupid in response.

A non-foreign interventionist policy would have prevented this, and a continued effort in foreign intervention is going to make matters worse for all parties.

 

[SovereignMN]

We need to get the heck out of that region ASAP and also get serious about securing our borders. There is a way to constitutionally secure our borders and not harass our own citizens.

 

[LibertyEagle]

i admit i lashed out, but you equally do the same...wiki is completely valid, it has plenty of references to committee reports & other official documents & reports

I didn't call you a name. Which is what you did to the other poster. THAT was the issue.

 

[schiffstudent]

I agree

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A5339-2002Mar22?language=printer



Couple links that might prove some interesting reading referencing the statement I made:

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=taliban

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/Headlines/Jihad-and-Jihadism

This sort of propaganda has its precedent - the military today even has specific regiments whose purpose is to distribute pamphlets and the like in Iraq and Afghanistan, but that's not surprising - more surprising is the work the CIA did in Nicaragua, specifically in encouraging the dissatisfied among the population of engaging in economic/argricultural sabotage and such like, and providing them material to explain how to do so, also known as: The Freedom Fighter's Manual - copies of which were air-dropped into the country by the CIA.

/edit and for more on the Iran-Contra scandal in Nicaragua here's the wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran/Contra - I like wikipedia as an umbrella of information and a good starting point to learn about specific events - don't take anything on wikipedia at face value of course, but I encourage following the citations and doing your own research on subjects (Not directed at anyone just musing generally).

Thanks, I have to admit I didn't know about the textbooks, and I'm sure they had an impact of instilling radicalism in the youth their, but what about radicals in other regions of the Middle East?
My point is, way before the the 1970's and for centuries, Islam was used to wage countless wars and acts of savagery, supported by ideas that came from the Koran. Couldn't you say that the best fuel for radical Islam has always been the distortion by Muslims of their key textbook, the Koran?

 

[Zolah]

Thanks, I have to admit I didn't know about the textbooks, and I'm sure they had an impact of instilling radicalism in the youth their, but what about radicals in other regions of the Middle East?
My point is, way before the the 1970's and for centuries, Islam was used to wage countless wars and acts of savagery, supported by ideas that came from the Koran. Couldn't you say that the best fuel for radical Islam has always been the distortion by Muslims of their key textbook, the Koran?

I've always maintained that extremists of any religion distort and manipulate religion to further their own agenda and drive their recruitment, Christian example #1 is the KKK, Jewish example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group) - so I'm not really sure what your point is.

 

[acptulsa]

We've been bribing and bombing them for years and years, yet they still have a nuclear capability. Am I the only one who wonders if anything our government does over there is done in the interests of the American people?

 

[schiffstudent]

I've always maintained that extremists of any religion distort and manipulate religion to further their own agenda and drive their recruitment, Christian example #1 is the KKK, Jewish example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group) - so I'm not really sure what your point is.

That the U.S. isn't the reason why radical Islam exists throughout history.

 

[Zolah]

That the U.S. isn't the reason why radical Islam exists throughout history.

The CIA needed something to base their textbooks on, sure, they act similarily with dozens of different cultures throughout the world, using historical and cultural ideas to increase popularity of resistance movements that are 'beneficial' to U.S policy at the time - 3 quick examples, Orange Revolution in Ukraine, Rose Revolution in Georgia, Cedar Revolution in Lebanon. All 3 of which resulted in more pro-US leaders prevailing after the fact.

But you have the facts - millions of dollars were spent specifically encouraging radical Islam in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and the Iranian revolution of 1979 would never have happened without the American coup d'état in 1953, Iran, I would say American foreign policy is the single greatest contributor to the rise of radical Islam in the 20th century - hence why many people may say figuratively that this is a creature we created, we are Frankenstein, and the militant terrorism commonplace today is blowback from our policy.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

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[tonesforjonesbones]

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[tonesforjonesbones]

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[heavenlyboy34]

... and that's why Israel is suddenly saying they aren't worried about Iran - they're worried about Pakistan. ... and suddenly H.Clinton is saying Pakistan is a threat to humanity.

~sigh~ I guess it will take at least one nuclear holocaust for people of the "civilized" world to abandon the failed philosophy of Statism. ~facepalm~

 

[RonPaul4Lyfe]

I am from Pakistan. There is an insurgency going on, but this is being sensationalized. Despite what the US media might say, Pakistan won't collapse to the Taliban, that is still a far fetched claim. A country with an army of 500,000 and an adddittional 500,000 on reserve will fall to a militia like the Taliban? Yeah whatever, give me a break.

The problem at the moment is the lack of will to fight the Taliban, the ability to fight has always been there and will always be there. It is hard for the Pakistan Army to fight this war because it leads to many civilian deaths, which was used as propaganda against the operation the army was conducting in Swat. Last time they were fighting the Taliban in Swat and there was a lot of collateral damage, which damaged the reputation of the Pakistan Army. So they decided to stop fighting and try this peace deal. This peace deal will not work I am sure of that and then the Pakistani govt and Army will have the higher moral ground in the public opinion. Then we will see the Pakistan Army fight this war seriously and crush the Taliban. Remember, its hard to fight a war in which the enemy has no face and has established itself in your own community.

At the same time I feel that Pakistan is thinking that they can get some money from the US by being shown as this weak state. In addition, I think the Pakistan Army has not been as sincere to fight the Taliban because they feel that the U.S. will leave the area and then the mess will be left to them. This has been done before, when the U.S. funded these jihadis and left the area and there was a mess. I think some people in the Pakistani Army might be feeling "lets pretend like we are fighting the Taliban, eventually the U.S. will lose this war and leave, that's when we can use the Taliban and Afghanistan as a strategic weapon against India." The Pakistan Army has always considered India an enemy, not the Taliban. However, they might now be rethinking that because it is obvious that the frankenstein Taliban has its own plans for Pakistan.

That is my view on things. Cheers

 

[idiom]

Quick! Liberate Them!

 

[devil21]

Quick! Liberate Them!

They hate Pakistanis for their freedom!

Nice post by RP4Lyfe above. I have no doubt it's being sensationalized by the US media. It's what they do best, after all. Im sure part of the problem is that every day common Pakistanis see the Taliban as more an ally to them than the US, therefore making it nearly impossible to recruit Pakistan to effectively target them. It's not as easy as letting the Sunni/Shia in Iraq go after each other.

 

[pacelli]

They're 60 miles away from the capital of Pakistan? Oh no! There are communists 90 miles away from Florida! Quick, be afraid!!

Next thing you know, they'll come up with some story about how Al Qaeda has somehow stolen a nuclear missile from Pakistan, and nobody can find it.

 

[idiom]

They're 60 miles away from the capital of Pakistan? Oh no! There are communists 90 miles away from Florida! Quick, be afraid!!

Next thing you know, they'll come up with some story about how Al Qaeda has somehow stolen a nuclear missile from Pakistan, and nobody can find it.

They have the potential to 'lose' 250 of the blighters.