Oxymoron: Fiscally conservative, but socially moderate

Abortion can logically be viewed as an issue of 2 competing freedoms: the women's right to choose what she does with her body VS the unborn child's right to live.

Exactly. Personally, I think a women has the right to her body but also I believe the baby has the right to surive. It's a moral dilemna. Currently, I'm supporting abortion in cases of rape/incest but against it in most/all other scenarios.

Libertarianism, to me at least, tends to leave morally/socially left, at least the way I look at it.
 
To me socially moderate or socially liberal means you don't want the fed involved in others private lives. Like gay marriage or drug use. Entitlement programs are a fiscal issue for me.

Bingo.

I don't give a rat's ass about who you want to marry or what you want to put in your body. The idea that someone else should be able to take money out of my wallet to enforce such ludicrous measures is repulsive. Go marry a shoe for all I care. Leave. Me. Alone.
 
Abortion isn't necessarily a conservative/liberal stance, although party-wise it's been supported by democrats and opposed by republicans.

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Abortion isn't necessarily a conservative/liberal stance, although party-wise it's been supported by democrats and opposed by republicans.

This is true, but they're both incorrect stances.

Republicans say the unborn fetus is a life. The Democrats say women have a right to do whatever they wish with their bodies.

Both statements, while true, don't actually get to the crux of the issue. Republicans are wrong to address what a life is, and Democrats err on the side of women's rights because the truly consistent argument in favor of the pro-choice stance would discredit their views on "animal rights".

Abortion must be a medical practice protected by government force, because by definition, an unborn and undeveloped fetus is not a human life, and therefore has no rights. Nothing except for a human being has rights. Not all living things have rights. Trees, dogs, and elephants all are completely incapable of possessing rights. Again, only humans can have rights. A month-old fetus is not a human, but a potential human. It is not a human if the fetus has not developed its rational faculties.

What are rational faculties? I can't stress this accepted definition enough: having rational faculties means possessing a fully-formed mind and body that, as aging progresses, is able to facilitate the mental development into a functioning human brain. That brain, when fully-functioning, is the very thing that defines human beings and makes them categorically unique. The one characteristic that identifies humans as being human. In other words, if a fetus has developed to the point where it will grow, age, and mature (mentally) properly, then it is a human being and has rights. For this reason, most abortions would be not only morally acceptable but also perfectly legal in the Constitutional sense. We get into very murky waters indeed when we address the specific aspects of late-term abortions. I am on the side that says such procedures are essentially the intentional murder of another human being, but only when it can be proven (and it can be, easily) that the fetus would have otherwise developed into a fully-functioning human with its rational faculties in tact. I've personally never heard of a late-term abortion performed for the reason of saving the mother from inescapable injury or death, but I'm not an expert on that particular subject.

It's really as simple as that. Republicans are too blinded by religious nonsense to understand that very basic truth. Democrats are too disintegrated, philosophically, to approach this aspect of the topic. Because then those Democrats/liberals who advocate laws to "protect the rights" of animals, and social programs for the mentally handicapped - both of which do not possess the rational faculties required to be considered protected by the individual rights guaranteed to all human beings - would need to answer for their inconsistencies.
 
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Bingo.

I don't give a rat's ass about who you want to marry or what you want to put in your body. The idea that someone else should be able to take money out of my wallet to enforce such ludicrous measures is repulsive. Go marry a shoe for all I care. Leave. Me. Alone.

Preventing the government from recognizing gay marriages doesn't cost you a single dime. It actually saves money.
 
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Preventing the government from recognizing gay marriages doesn't cost you a single dime. It actually saves money.

Who cares if the government recognizes any marriage? Unless you're in favor of government benefits for married people and don't want the gays to get those benefits
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Who cares if the government recognizes any marriage? Unless you're in favor of government benefits for married people and don't want the gays to get those benefits
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The government recognizing marriage between a man and a woman would just be the first step in getting government out of marriage all together. It would serve to stop the government from expanding marriage beyond what it is now. Also, abolishing the IRS would solve the tax benefits issue.
 
But, unfortunately I made the mistake of getting myself involved in discussing this issue again. Ok, now I'm done. I'm taking a break from discussing this issue for the forseeable future.
 
The government recognizing marriage between a man and a woman would just be the first step in getting government out of marriage all together. It would serve to stop the government from expanding marriage beyond what it is now. Also, abolishing the IRS would solve the tax benefits issue.

No. You are correct on the IRS issue but having the government get involved in marriage will not get them out of marriage.
 
Well, I'm socially liberal and economically liberal= libertarian. I can find common cause with either on an ad hoc basis but consider those who are not both socially and economically liberal to be philosophically inconsistent, at the least.
 
Well, I'm socially liberal and economically liberal= libertarian. I can find common cause with either on an ad hoc basis but consider those who are not both socially and economically liberal to be philosophically inconsistent, at the least.

Don't you mean fiscally conservative? I've never heard the term economically liberal used before.
 
Exactly. Personally, I think a women has the right to her body but also I believe the baby has the right to surive. It's a moral dilemna. Currently, I'm supporting abortion in cases of rape/incest but against it in most/all other scenarios.

Libertarianism, to me at least, tends to leave morally/socially left, at least the way I look at it.

Personally, I believe life starts when brainwaves and a heartbeat are present (same way we define death). This would be approximately after the first trimester. Before that, I think abortion should be legal. After that, I think it should only be legal to save the life of the mother.
 
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