(Owner ok'd) Hijack @ DailyPaul.com, Thread's Been Blocked:"This is Official Write-In..

[MrWalker]

Just as much as i think that the Ron Paul campaign was really hijacked by the neoconservatives, i now think that whats left of the campaign has been given to Gary Johnson. Sure looks like it by the way the GJ campaign has changed the tone against us in the recent days from the cathegorigal attacks to a more forgiving and let-us all-be friends-now tone, as they have progressed on the dp forum.

 

[notsure]

While we're on the subject. Was there a good reason this thread comes up as error 404? It was originally titled ~"Nevada finishes paperwork to officially nominate Ron Paul at convention" circa Aug 6, 2012. Could it have been a strategic move to 404 this page, or a hack?

http://www.dailypaul.com/247789/nev...cially-nominate-ron-paul-at-convention?page=1

 

[KingNothing]

Just as much as i think that the Ron Paul campaign was really hijacked by the neoconservatives, i now think that whats left of the campaign has been given to Gary Johnson. Sure looks like it by the way the GJ campaign has changed the tone against us in the recent days from the cathegorigal attacks to a more forgiving and let-us all-be friends-now tone, as they have progressed on the dp forum.

I hope to never be on the receiving end of a cathegorigal attack. It sounds painful!

 

[James_Madison_Lives]

So was the "hijacking" "confirmed"?

You decide. No reason given for blocking me and deleting the thread about the deadlines for getting Ron Paul as a write-in, so another DPer friend of mine raised the issue before the forum, in case there was some mix-up. This is what she got, an "Unpublished" and "spam filter" notice which I have never seen in 3 years at DP. Admin and mods don't answer.

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It seems the idea of Ron Paul as an official write-in candidate is hitting a nerve somewhere, and is a real threat. If he steals enough votes which must be counted as a write-in it is a major embarrassment to both parties. We should double down on this.

 

[muzzled dogg]

I don't understand how anyone in their right mind could possibly consider that a hijacking, much less infer a confirmation

You want me to decide? I conclude there was no hijacking and am certain you haven't confirmed one

 

[James_Madison_Lives]

I don't understand how anyone in their right mind could possibly consider that a hijacking, much less infer a confirmation

You want me to decide? I conclude there was no hijacking and am certain you haven't confirmed one

okay. So when threads complaining about the site being 90% about Gary Johnson disappear, when the site is called Daily Paul, when threads about how to write-in Ron Paul disappear (whose votes Johnson wants,) and when threads asking any questions about all this disappear, none of this with any explanation, it's all good.

Would be curious to know what you consider a hijacking.

As for confirmation, usually an organization, whether a major website or the Tea Party, does not send out an email saying "Yes we have been hijacked."

If you want to convince yourself go on the site and try to argue against Gary Johnson. See what happens. Also Ron Paul's picture has disappeared from the logo.

 

[sailingaway]

okay. So when threads complaining about the site being 90% about Gary Johnson disappear, when the site is called Daily Paul, when threads about how to write-in Ron Paul disappear (whose votes Johnson wants,) and when threads asking any questions about all this disappear, none of this with any explanation, it's all good.

Would be curious to know what you consider a hijacking.

As for confirmation, usually an organization, whether a major website or the Tea Party, does not send out an email saying "Yes we have been hijacked."

If you want to convince yourself go on the site and try to argue against Gary Johnson. See what happens. Also Ron Paul's picture has disappeared from the logo.

I guess the question is whether there is any reason to believe Nystrom doesn't KNOW this. It is possible he wouldn't know a mod is blocking stuff 'bad for' Johnson. but I can't see how he would not know Ron's picture is gone.

 

[JK/SEA]

just went over to read the 'put the picture back' thread. Interesting. My conclusion is that the site owner wants the Daily Paul to slowly fade away, which it has already started to do. My personal opinion is that i don't really care, as i never liked the format over there anyway. Bye bye DP, its been real and fun.....

 

[parocks]

okay. So when threads complaining about the site being 90% about Gary Johnson disappear, when the site is called Daily Paul, when threads about how to write-in Ron Paul disappear (whose votes Johnson wants,) and when threads asking any questions about all this disappear, none of this with any explanation, it's all good.

Would be curious to know what you consider a hijacking.

As for confirmation, usually an organization, whether a major website or the Tea Party, does not send out an email saying "Yes we have been hijacked."

If you want to convince yourself go on the site and try to argue against Gary Johnson. See what happens. Also Ron Paul's picture has disappeared from the logo.

Hijacking is when person X takes it from person Y. The people in charge over there might want to shift the emphasis away from someone who isn't running to someone who is. I was over there a couple days ago and it didn't seem to be about Gary J.

You might want to consider that posts about how the website sucks now are the type of posts that might get deleted. If you posted something similar but not critical of the site it might stay up.

 

[CPUd]

While we're on the subject. Was there a good reason this thread comes up as error 404? It was originally titled ~"Nevada finishes paperwork to officially nominate Ron Paul at convention" circa Aug 6, 2012. Could it have been a strategic move to 404 this page, or a hack?

http://www.dailypaul.com/247789/nev...cially-nominate-ron-paul-at-convention?page=1

It's not a 404, it's a 403. The difference being- a 404 means the page does not exist, a 403 means it exists, but you can't see it. In the case of the DP, it's been unpublished. One thing I noticed is that when a user gets banned, the threads they started get unpublished. It may not have anything to do with that particular thread at all, just with the user who started it.

 

[James_Madison_Lives]

Hijacking is when person X takes it from person Y. The people in charge over there might want to shift the emphasis away from someone who isn't running to someone who is. I was over there a couple days ago and it didn't seem to be about Gary J.

You might want to consider that posts about how the website sucks now are the type of posts that might get deleted. If you posted something similar but not critical of the site it might stay up.

If you put in anything about writing in Ron Paul, it will be immediately anonymously down-voted so it doesn't reach the top of the page. As if Ron Paul supporters do not the right to write-in their candidate or discuss it. This is true even if it is something important, like finding 55 electors for CA. The site is filled with new joins, who are probably doing it.

What it says about Johnson, who certainly craves the publicity of the site, is that he does not mind Trotskyite tactics in pursuit of his "libertarian" message. It's as ugly as can be.

Nystrom either can't or won't take control. Ron Paul should never have let this man use his name because it is implying an endorsement of Johnson, who is an interventionist Neocon.

The implied endorsement is exactly what the Johnsonistas want. Newbie goes to "Daily Paul," sees Johnson all over it, draws a conclusion.

 

[sailingaway]

things are down voted including my thread looking for electors. It is clearly purposeful, whether by Johnson or Romney supporters or what. However, it is the format Michael wants, so it hasn't been hijacked since it is his site. He decided to let 'democracy reign' by up votes down votes and bumping, a free market of ideas, as he sees it. It lets the most aggressive create the front page, it seems, but he is trying new things and if he decides he doesn't like it, he will change it.

 

[James_Madison_Lives]

things are down voted including my thread looking for electors. It is clearly purposeful, whether by Johnson or Romney supporters or what. However, it is the format Michael wants, so it hasn't been hijacked since it is his site. He decided to let 'democracy reign' by up votes down votes and bumping, a free market of ideas, as he sees it. It lets the most aggressive create the front page, it seems, but he is trying new things and if he decides he doesn't like it, he will change it.

I understand the thinking but it is harebrained in this case, would be appropriate if the name of the site were "Daily Conservative." But it's not, it's Daily Paul. As such it should exclude the direct competition to our work to write-in Dr. Paul. If I went into an Obama site and tried to promote Dr. Paul I'd be banned so fast it would make my head spin. More importantly, as an ethical person, I would agree with that ban and see the right of it. It's not a Paul site, and he is direct competition. It's an Obama site. Fine.

The Johnson people are amoral Trotskyites hiding behind a Libertarian facade. They acknowledge no other rules but the rule which says you can do anything that someone else cannot stop you from doing.

 

[sailingaway]

It is Michael's site, and if this is how he wants to run it, that is his choice, regardless of what opinions others might have.

 

[James_Madison_Lives]

It is Michael's site, and if this is how he wants to run it, that is his choice, regardless of what opinions others might have.

I understand. But it's not Michael's name.

 

[Barrex]

My prediction is that site will shut down soon because he told me that he is paying moderators and maintanience.... I am talking about tens of thousands of dollars....

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

I don't think Michael would do this. Furthermore people were complaining strange behavior at the website in weeks past, like 'access denied' errors on key pages which then suddenly went away, getting your connection broken all night etc. If it's an admin block of your id admins always tell you why you've been blocked. It would be a pretty high-level hack but its possible.

I've been experiencing this kind of stuff on THIS site! For weeks!

-t

 

[James_Madison_Lives]

My prediction is that site will shut down soon because he told me that he is paying moderators and maintanience.... I am talking about tens of thousands of dollars....

anybody want to buy it? I'll moderate/admin for dirt cheap and make it a money-maker. The domain Alexa rankings are stellar. We will keep the Ron Paul revolution alive. PM me.

 

[James_Madison_Lives]

My prediction is that site will shut down soon because he told me that he is paying moderators and maintanience.... I am talking about tens of thousands of dollars....

The Johnson people are costing him readers. All the RP people I know are walking away because of disgust with the Johnson hijack (yes, it is a hijack, it's Nystrom's site but its Ron Paul's name that gets the readers. No one would read "Daily Nystrom." No one would give a d.)

If the Ron Paul write-in movement were allowed to flourish he would triple his traffic in a day, and get more ads.

 

[CPUd]

Well, a couple months ago, he strategically changed the name and branding so that it's Daily P Au L (Peace Gold Love/Liberty), and took down the Ron Paul graphic. He doesn't want the site to be exclusively Ron Paul, and even during the primaries had a fair amount of tolerance for the Garys posting their stuff on the site.

Educated guess -> I don't think they are making much from the ads- it is the subscription model that keeps the site going. I would guess that wherever his subscriber base leans is what will get the most amount of play, with regards to content. Forums get a lot of traffic, but are generally hard to make (direct) money off of without a subscription model.

On buying the site - don't be surprised if he asks a low 6 figures for it, and may not be open to selling it without knowing what the new owners would do with it.