Over Three Million Illegal Immigrants Voted in 2016 Election

[H. E. Panqui]

A soon as you prove three million illegal immigrants voted in the election.

...cut it out, zippy!!...helmuth's evidence is overwhelming!...glenn beck, sean hannity, ruse limbaugh AND alex jones have all confirmed it....

 

[helmuth_hubener]

I can

Zippyjuans proven to be legally eligible to vote:

0.

Constituting thus far:

0%

I'll try to keep you guys updated!

 

[Zippyjuan]

Thank your for proving your claim.

Here is my ID:

 

[Danke]

Zippyjuans proven to be legally eligible to vote:

0.

Constituting thus far:

0%

I'll try to keep you guys updated!

You have to post a graph before Zippy will believe it.

 

[Cutlerzzz]

Only ~40% of hispanic adults vote. For the OPs numbers to be true we would need adult illegal immigrants to vote at roughly the same rate as legal Hispanics. That's seems unlikely.

 

[TheCount]

It's an established fact that 10,000 or 100,000 or 500,000 non citizens normally vote in an election; like the Turkish immigrant who shot a bunch of women in Washington a month ago. Whatever the number is. Take multiples of that since the candidate is Trump.

You seem to have a very strange definition of established fact.

 

[Danke]

Only ~40% of hispanic adults vote. For the OPs numbers to be true we would need adult illegal immigrants to vote at roughly the same rate as legal Hispanics. That's seems unlikely.

Self disclosure is so reliable, are those white hispanics or non-white ones?

 

[oyarde]

Wrong. You don't have a homeland. Especially as an American. Everyone here is the descendants of immigrants.

Even if you had a "homeland" it is just another piece of dirt. Worshiping this dirt above their dirt is irrational. You don't even own it.

I have a homeland . I do not worship the dirt but I like it.

 

[Danke]

I have a homeland . I do not worship the dirt but I like it.

That reminds me BTW. I still have some of your homeland dirt in my suitcase. Shall I sent it along with the Hobby Lobby coupon?

 

[lilymc]

First link isn't even relevant.

Second link doesn't even want to work.


But the larger issue is simple: So what?

Isn't the whole point of voting that those who are taxed and subject to a government's rules have some say in the government that rules over them? That is the foundation of the American government right, that no government can justly rule without the consent of the governed i.e. those subject to the edicts of the state?

"Immigrants illegally in the U.S. collectively contribute nearly $12 billion each year to state and local tax coffers, according to a new report that challenges recent election cycle rhetoric. ...The Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy's study found that individuals lacking legal permission to be in the U.S. consistently receive lower wages than their immigrant counterparts who are in the country legally, which inherently limits how much they pay in terms of income taxes. The report estimates the average income of an "undocumented family" is a little more than $30,000, well below the country's median household income of around $54,000, according to the Census Bureau.

However, when looking at the share of total income paid in taxes, the institute's report estimates the average tax rate for immigrants in the country illegally is higher than the rate paid by America's top earners.

"Undocumented immigrants' nationwide average effective tax rate is an estimated 8 percent," the report said. 'To put this in perspective, the top 1 percent of taxpayers pay an average nationwide effective tax rate of just 5.4 percent.'"

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes

So you can't say illegal immigrants don't pay taxes- they probably pay as much, if not more, than you because they cannot claim the legal tax breaks you or I can.


And they are certainly subject to the same inane rules you and I are, moreso actually since their labor, and thus humanity, is deemed illegal and cannot legally take place above table. They can legally have everything they own seized from them, including their very children, and be exiled from the country and their property merely on the whim of others.

If you actually believe in the why of voting, if you believe people deserve a voice in their government, if you believe all that stuff the Founding Fathers said about all men being created equal with inalienable rights and about government being by the consent of the governed, there is no logical or moral reason you can oppose illegal immigrants voting. Indeed, immigrants could freely enter into the country and vote for nearly the first 100 years of America's history. This idea of "illegal" people being shut out from having a voice in business and government is the very opposite of the humanistic Enlightenment ideals that the country was founded upon. It is, in retrospect, un-American.

World government, national government, no difference.

You sound like a globalist. You and Hillary have something in common.

 

[oyarde]

That reminds me BTW. I still have some of your homeland dirt in my suitcase. Shall I sent it along with the Hobby Lobby coupon?

I need a Hobby Lobby giftcard , 200 ought to do it . I need some new cases for some Paleo & Archaic artifacts I picked up recently .

 

[otherone]

That reminds me BTW. I still have some of your homeland dirt in my suitcase. Shall I sent it along with the Hobby Lobby coupon?

...sounds like pedo code.

 

[Weston White]

A soon as you prove three million illegal immigrants voted in the election.

Doyle BOOM!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...gible-dead-voters-american-voter-rolls-video/

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Election Expert: "We now have 4 million... ineligible [illegal] voters on the rolls!"

Ah, well, I like to err on the cautious, conservative side. 3 million, 4 million,...

 

[Weston White]

Election Expert: "We now have 4 million... ineligible [illegal] voters on the rolls!"

Ah, well, I like to err on the cautious, conservative side. 3 million, 4 million,...

...And just to clarify these are not all attributed to Mexicans or whatever as several here keep trying to reference:

** Approximately 24 million—one of every eight—voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate.
** More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters.
** Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...ter-rolls-2-75-million-registered-two-states/

 

[Son_of_Liberty90]

So? Why do you worship the law? Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it is unjust.

Yea, who needs laws? Also, to hell with nationalities also! We are the global proletariat!

 

[PierzStyx]

You sound like a globalist. You and Hillary have something in common.

Sure, if you believe Thomas Jefferson or John Locke were globalists. The revolutionary idea that all people are created equal with the same equal rights no matter where they're from is the foundation of the Lockean ideals that are the foundation of the Declaration of Independence. It is also the foundation of the modern idea of liberty.

Isn't it always fascinating how the real promoters of liberty are always accused of being "globalists" by the oppressive nationalists? Liberty is universal.

And there is no difference between world governments or national ones. They're both oppressive regimes. Replacing an oppressive world government with an oppressive national one means nothing. You're still oppressed.

I have little to nothing in common with Clinton. But if you do not recognize the Declaration and universal inalienable human rights then you have more in common with her than you think you do. You're just Progressives with different goals.

 

[PierzStyx]

Yea, who needs laws? Also, to hell with nationalities also! We are the global proletariat!

Fascinating. I didn't know you were a Communist! Well, my Communist friend, let me explain liberty to you.

You see, I would expect naming themselves after the Sons of Liberty might be familiar with the declaration of Independence which lays down the basic Enlightenment ideals of Liberty.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."

Notice that. All men. Not Americans, or Frenchmen, or Englishmen, or Anglo-Saxons. All men are equal, with equal rights. Doesn't matter where you are from or where you live or what race you are or what you believe. All men are equal.

Not only are they equal but they all have the same unalienable rights -that is rights that cannot be justly violated nor surrendered-among which are Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness. If you violate any of these rights then you are unjust, immoral, and unworthy of position or power.

To quote The DoI further:

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

There is only one law that matters, Natural Law. When Natural Law -the law of equal human rights- is respected by man-made law then that is wonderful. When man-made law violates Natural Law- and thus the natural rights of any person- it is inferior and can and should be nullified, discarded, and abolished.

So yes, who needs laws, indeed? My Communist friend, you may worship oppressive and degrading rules that restrict human liberties, but the true friend of Liberty does not. Indeed it always interests me how so many of your caliber, who proclaim themselves "Son(s) of Liberty" seem to have no grasp on what Liberty actually is or what it actually means for all people to be free and equal. Ignorance is all too common. You worship the law and forget the Law.

 

[PierzStyx]

Doyle BOOM!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...gible-dead-voters-american-voter-rolls-video/

Hmmm. Guy is on Fox News, works for Newsmax, and shows up on Rush Limbaugh's radio network regularly.

When did neoconservatives become sources of good information? Never? Yeah. Never.

 

[PierzStyx]

You're getting more and more bitter, Pierz. It's unbecoming. Settle down. And I'm not saying this to anger you. Seriously, for your own good. I'm giving you good advice.

Bitter? Perhaps, but only at those who try to pass their nativism, nationalism, and Progressivism off as Liberty. Those kinds of lies are toxic to the cause of Freedom, Justice, Mercy, and Liberty.