Our Iowa folks don't seem to be turning out to all the County GOP elections right now

[sailingaway]

The liberty grassroots is fully behind Brannon, and I have heard the local TP groups have been pretty receptive to him. The "Establishment"? Not so much so. He recently had kick-off tours in major cities. I couldn't attend the one in Raleigh as it started at 3 PM and I was still at work.

The problem, as I mentioned in another thread, is his messaging. To get establishment GOP support, he needs to emphasize on economy, taxes and jobs, and shelving the constant didactics on the Constitution, Founding Fathers, saying taxation is plunder etc. Lt. Gov. Dan Forest (whom PPP polled ahead of Brannon), is quite popular here, so if he decides to run, then it will be very tough for Brannon. AFAIK, Forest is an ally though. (He spoke at the YAL convention here.)

Well, if you hear of anything for Brannon, an event, issue etc, we can promote, let us know.

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

Well, here's hoping the people who did not show up choose to accept where the blame lies rather than blame it on 'establishment this' and 'voter fraud' that.

 

[Uriah]

It isn't your responsibility, obviously. I was just thinking of ways to make people care enough to be willing. Here they were willing to be officers but not enough came to vote them in. But I don't know if the ones who were willing were the ones who would be motivating.

What I meant was I hope I am more influential next runaround so I can get people outside of my county to participate.

 

[Liberty74]

I predicted this to many deaf ears in here.

Why all the fuss???

Liberty folks don't feel welcomed. We aren't welcomed by the establishment which controls pretty much everything within the Republican Party. Just another reason to stamp our flag within the Indy Party - no leaders, no platform, no establishment - it could be ours from the ground up instead of fighting with a bunch of power hungry hacks that WILL shut us up and shut us out i.e. Republican Convention.

 

[cheapseats]

I predicted this to many deaf ears in here.

Why all the fuss???

Liberty folks don't feel welcomed. We aren't welcomed by the establishment which controls pretty much everything within the Republican Party. Just another reason to stamp our flag within the Indy Party - no leaders, no platform, no establishment - it could be ours from the ground up instead of fighting with a bunch of power hungry hacks that WILL shut us up and shut us out i.e. Republican Convention.

John Boehner: "The aye's have it."

 

[cheapseats]

I disagree that it is hero worship...

Hero Worship / Messiah Complex has ABSOLUTELY been an issue with Ron Paul.

RAND Paul Devotees...and there IS some he-can-do-no-wrong Blind Support...will want to resist indulging in the same sentimentality.

Not least 'cuz it angers RON Paul Devotees.

 

[cheapseats]

The fanciful notion that ANYTHING is "hidden/secret" on Facebook is exactly that . . . a fanciful notion.

Facebook is now Wall Street. You can't hardly GET more Establishment than THAT.

...What's interesting about Sen. Paul's announcement last night on Fox News is he appeared highly aware of the backlash the endorsement might cause on Internet forums and repeatedly referenced his father's "legion" of online followers. Paul said he and Romney "talked about issues frankly that are important to me, important to my dad and to many of his followers." "My dad has a legion of young followers who are on the Internet," Paul told Fox News host Sean Hannity, "and they think they rule the Internet and maybe they do or maybe they don't, but they're very concerned about the freedom of the Internet."

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/06/ron-paul-supporters-are-fuming-mad-rand-paul/53336/

"Everyone" (meaning practically all of the comparatively TINY pool of Political Junkies) was at one time surprised and impressed by the scrappy ground game of Ron Paul's "enthusiastic" supporters. Many of the "many" were SCARED by it...scared enough to bushwhack him/you.

Political AND financial tongues will wag when/if people effectively skirt "established alternative" media to accomplish missions.

 

[Occam's Banana]

This is disappointing - but in no way surprising. The departure of Ron Paul from electoral politics made it a matter, not of if, but of when (and to what degree).

It remains to be seen how much of the slack the appeal of Rand, Amash, Massie, et al. can take up among libertarians, constitutionalists, paleo-cons, etc.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I predicted this to many deaf ears in here.

And I predicted that the Sun would come up today. This does not, however, confirm my theory that the Sun is pulled around the Earth by a chariot drawn by pink unicorns ...

Liberty folks don't feel welcomed. We aren't welcomed by the establishment which controls pretty much everything within the Republican Party. Just another reason to stamp our flag within the Indy Party - no leaders, no platform, no establishment - it could be ours from the ground up instead of fighting with a bunch of power hungry hacks that WILL shut us up and shut us out i.e. Republican Convention.

First: there is no "Indy Party" - it does not exist. The "Indy Party" is a pink unicorn.

Second: even if it did exist, there is no reason to think it would fare any better (and plenty of reasons to think it would fare even worse).

 

[jabowery]

What is keeping the liberty Republicans from turning out for these races?

Don't speculate. Get DATA!

Grousing loses. Analysis wins.

 

[sailingaway]

Hero Worship / Messiah Complex has ABSOLUTELY been an issue with Ron Paul.

RAND Paul Devotees...and there IS some he-can-do-no-wrong Blind Support...will want to resist indulging in the same sentimentality.

Not least 'cuz it angers RON Paul Devotees.

I don't think it has been an issue enough to generalize it. You can disagree, but most I see tag things as 'hero worship' when they really just want the same enthusiasm or effort for someone who doesn't stand for the same principles.

 

[sailingaway]

What is keeping the liberty Republicans from turning out for these races?

Don't speculate. Get DATA!

Grousing loses. Analysis wins.

Yeah. I was thinking there wasn't outreach to them, if they weren't paying attention to the schedules on their own, but I don't know that.

 

[RockEnds]

That is a very different circumstance, though, and understandable.

Maybe you could get in touch with a few of your fellows and make sure they are going? You could bring up what happened in other places and say since you are having surgery you are trying to do your part in get out the vote....?

I'm out of surgery and home. I'm a little tired, but I'm in less pain this afternoon than I have been all winter. I may make the meeting after all. I'm crossing my fingers! Hopefully it's a good sign that life can get back to semi-normal soon.

 

[thoughtomator]

Look folks, in some places the liberty movement is strong, and in others it's not. No surprise that a healthy number of us are finding that in our own local area, the movement isn't strong. Organic movements aren't uniform - if the movement is weak where you are, as it is where I am, then your role is to spread the message and to support those in the majority most favorable to your point of view. Where the movement is strong, we can take over. It's not realistic to expect to take over everywhere at once, but if we keep spreading the message even where we are weak, the movement as a whole will continue to advance steadily.

 

[WM_in_MO]

St Charles county MO has a liberty project that deliberately makes no effort to endorse candidates, only ideas.

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

Look folks, in some places the liberty movement is strong, and in others it's not. No surprise that a healthy number of us are finding that in our own local area, the movement isn't strong. Organic movements aren't uniform - if the movement is weak where you are, as it is where I am, then your role is to spread the message and to support those in the majority most favorable to your point of view. Where the movement is strong, we can take over. It's not realistic to expect to take over everywhere at once, but if we keep spreading the message even where we are weak, the movement as a whole will continue to advance steadily.

I don't think people are expecting a takeover on Day one. But when you successfully managed to get one of your own as Chairman of the state party despite opposition, it's not unrealistic to have expectations that people will do their part and play a role in the party by showing up and being active.