On Capitalist Jesus. The Evil of Christianity.

[PaulaGem]

Considering the Bible is itself a Catholic tradition, you must consider it to be a myth too.
Anyway, the word "myth" doesn't imply something is untrue or unchristian. A myth is just an ancient genre of literature, which actually is a part of Jewish and Christian literature (including parts of the Bible).

The doctrines of the trinity, deification of Yeshua, and physical resurrection are proto-orthodox doctrines, meaning they came from the Roman branch of Christianity which merged the native Roman religion with the teachings of Yeshua, this was done all over the middle east, but it was the Roman version which became dominant or "orthodox" by vurtue of its political power. This took place in the century or two before the Council of Nicea made Christianity the official religion of Rome.

With the alliance of Constantine and the Roman Church orthodoxy was born. The Roman "Catholic" church came into being after the Eastern Church split from the Roman Church.

 

[TurtleBurger]

The doctrines of the trinity, deification of Yeshua, and physical resurrection are proto-orthodox doctrines, meaning they came from the Roman branch of Christianity which merged the native Roman religion with the teachings of Yeshua, this was done all over the middle east, but it was the Roman version which became dominant or "orthodox" by vurtue of its political power. This took place in the century or two before the Council of Nicea made Christianity the official religion of Rome.

With the alliance of Constantine and the Roman Church orthodoxy was born. The Roman "Catholic" church came into being after the Eastern Church split from the Roman Church.

Have you read any of Bart Ehrman's books?

 

[BeFranklin]

Have you attended both Wiccan and Catholic services? Just curious.

Anyway, Catholics don't deny the Bible, they just deny your interpretation of it. Since you believe that each person should read and interpret the Bible for themselves, how can you say the Catholic interpretation (or the Communist interpretation for that matter) is less valid than your own?

No. I've been to one catholic service, which I regret, after I was well grown up.

a) I don't believe the bible is that hard to understand. It was written for common people to read.

b) We don't interpret it ouselves, that is the job of the Holy Spirit. The roman catholic church denies that the laity has direct access to God, they need intermediaries in the form of priests. Its called captivity.

 

[BeFranklin]

Originally Posted by BeFranklin
Well, we have 1-3 satanists and a wicca lover. Both among their mumbo jumblo have weird rituals involving bondage etc.

They're perverts if not worse. They like cussing. What they need is scripture.

Anyone who lies about the beliefs of others and thinks himself to be morally superior based on those lies is a pervert of the worst sort.

I needn't repeat myself. The original post was written by a satanist, and you said you wholesaled to occult bookstores and admired witches, as well as leading the conversation the whole way to support those things.

To put your judgement back on yourself, you've been lying about Christianity and the bible the whole time and trying to move it to paganism.
You are a pervert of the worst sort.

 

[BeFranklin]

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[BeFranklin]

You don't care much for the truth, do you? You quoted my opinion and ascribed it to a "wiccan". I am a Christian. I have never subscribed to any other religion than Christianity.

Like Jefferson and Franklin there are parts of the Christian myth I don't accept as fact, and you can't have it both ways. If these dissenting founding fathers are Christian by your definition then I am too.

No, Paula, you deny the bible, claim all religions are equal, and say you are a gnostic, which is one type of early pagan cult like witchcraft. You aren't a Christian, and you need to be saved.

 

[BeFranklin]

Franklin clearly stated that he had personal doubts about the divinity of Christ, I cited that passage, you ignored it and continue to claim that Franklin was a Christian.

He said he had doubts and didn't know. Doubt here isn't denial. He said he hadn't spent any time on it, and didn't know.

The passage is a poor use of history, because since Franklin said as the other disenters do, he isn't talking about the
divinity of Christ in the absolute sense, but the belief in the trinity, which is what some of the disenters had questions about.
This sense of divinity isn't the one you are trying to claim by the quote.

Franklin believed the bible was divinely inspired. You want to claim Franklin denied belief in the bible, but he certainly didn't. If a passage obviously said it, he believed it.

 

[TurtleBurger]

No. I've been to one catholic service, which I regret, after I was well grown up.

a) I don't believe the bible is that hard to understand. It was written for common people to read.

b) We don't interpret it ouselves, that is the job of the Holy Spirit. The roman catholic church denies that the laity has direct access to God, they need intermediaries in the form of priests. Its called captivity.

How technically does the Holy Spirit communicate the correct interpretation to you? How is it possible (for example) for one Bible Protestant to believe infant baptism is mandatory, and another to believe that infant baptism is an abomination, when both are guided by the Holy Spirit?

 

[BeFranklin]

Ask the Father

How technically does the Holy Spirit communicate the correct interpretation to you? How is it possible (for example) for one Bible Protestant to believe infant baptism is mandatory, and another to believe that infant baptism is an abomination, when both are guided by the Holy Spirit?

How technically does the Holy Spirit communicate to catholic priests?

You have to be born again to see the kingdom of God. But it is ironic that you want to set up a hiearchy of men to have what God gave every Christian to begin with. A personal relationship with God as your Father, not a set of priests all calling themselves your father.

A thousand years of error by the popes, resulting in bloodshed, torture, murder, sexual immorality of the worst sort, and more, and you want to ask why individuals act in different ways.

Look at the popes. Worship God, not men.

Matthew 7

7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

9Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?

10Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

11If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

 

[BeFranklin]

How technically does the Holy Spirit communicate the correct interpretation to you? How is it possible (for example) for one Bible Protestant to believe

FYI - you're despising the bible again.

In the political realm, the same thing occurs with the constitution. It is plainly written, but people lie about it.

 

[TurtleBurger]

How technically does the Holy Spirit communicate to catholic priests?

The same way as he communicates with any Catholic: the Bible, Tradition, and the Magisterium.

But you didn't answer my questions.

 

[idiom]

Aw. And this was such a lovely thread.

 

[LATruth]

No, Paula, you deny the bible, claim all religions are equal, and say you are a gnostic, which is one type of early pagan cult like witchcraft. You aren't a Christian, and you need to be saved.

All religions should be equal. If you want to talk numbers, in the worldwide scheme of things, I'd say Christianity is a minority. So you're lucky were giving you equal footing.

 

[BeFranklin]

All religions should be equal. If you want to talk numbers I'd say Christianity is a minority, so you're lucky were giving you equal footing.

Alas, something is either true or not true.

 

[LATruth]

I do stand corrected, as of 2009 Christianity has taken the top spot.

http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/charts/christianity_islam.htm

Although the charts do vary greatly from website to website.

 

[idiom]

From that site, there are only about 400 Million Christians.

There are an additional billion Catholics and others, but Bef dosen't count them as Christian.

So Christians are in fact a minority religion by a big factor.

 

[LibertyEagle]

All religions should be equal.

Says who?

If you want to talk numbers, in the worldwide scheme of things, I'd say Christianity is a minority.

Who cares? We live in the United States and one of the major reasons it was founded was so they could practice their Christian faith, out from under the Church of England.

So you're lucky were giving you equal footing.

Lucky? And who is "we"?

 

[LATruth]

Says who?

The Constitution.

And "we"would be anyone willing to listen to elitist bullshit. Thanks for chiming into another thread with nothing real to say.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The Constitution.

Where?

And "we"would be anyone willing to listen to elitist bullshit. Thanks for chiming into another thread with nothing real to say.

lol. That sounds mighty elitist of you.

 

[LATruth]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

No, Paula, you deny the bible, claim all religions are equal, and say you are a gnostic, which is one type of early pagan cult like witchcraft. You aren't a Christian, and you need to be saved.

The above post is what I was referring to as elitist bullshit, and it is. You know it, and I know it. I haven't claimed to be better than anyone.

Please don't ever respond to me again and I will offer you the same respect. There is nothing I have to say to you now, or ever.

Does vBull allow one to block a mod? Lets see...