On Capitalist Jesus. The Evil of Christianity.

[idiom]

LE are you seriously arguing that the law should favour some religions over others?

 

[LibertyEagle]

LE are you seriously arguing that the law should favour some religions over others?

Nope.

 

[Bman]

You aren't a Christian, and you need to be saved.

You also need to be saved. The wrath of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a hurricane of italian meatballs that will leave you covered in sauce from which you cannot hope to survive!

Repent now and be saved by the grand wet noodle.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The above post is what I was referring to as elitist bullshit, and it is. You know it, and I know it. I haven't claimed to be better than anyone.

Maybe not, but you're judging the worthiness of what I had to say and apparently deemed it unworthy. That sounded rather elitist to me, but that is just my opinion.

Thanks for chiming into another thread with nothing real to say.

Please don't ever respond to me again and I will offer you the same respect. There is nothing I have to say to you now, or ever.

What are you so upset about?

Does vBull allow one to block a mod? Lets see...

No and neither can Mods block regular forum members.

 

[idiom]

Nope.

So why are you disputing the idea that religions should be equal before the law?

And what does any of this have to do with the OP?

 

[LibertyEagle]

So why are you disputing the idea that religions should be equal before the law?

I wasn't. PaulaGem was the person that I saw claiming that all religions should be considered equal. If she specified that she was referring to how they were treated in our country, under the law, then I sure didn't see it. From my perspective, I saw someone who said they were a Christian and was claiming that all religions are the same. It is that, that I was disputing.

And what does any of this have to do with the OP?

I was responding to one particular thing that was mentioned. Is that not allowed?

The OP pasting of a post by someone named Luciferous (or something close to that), relating Christ to communism, we seem to have already beat pretty much to death. Or do you see it otherwise?

Geez guys, cut me some slack. It's 6:00 in the morning. I just woke up.

 

[jsu718]

I wasn't. PaulaGem was the person that I saw claiming that all religions should be considered equal. If she specified that she was referring to how they were treated in our country, under the law, then I sure didn't see it. From my perspective, I saw someone who said they were a Christian and was claiming that all religions are the same. It is that, that I was disputing.


I was responding to one particular thing that was mentioned. Is that not allowed?

The OP pasting of a post by someone named Luciferous (or something close to that), relating Christ to communism, we seem to have already beat pretty much to death. Or do you see it otherwise?

Geez guys, cut me some slack. It's 6:00 in the morning. I just woke up.

You "beat it pretty much to death" only because you have either a flawed definition of communism, or you ignore clear biblical references to the practice. About the only argument one can really make is that big-C Communism involves Marxist teachings that remove the individual from the equation as intended by Christian practices. Little-c communism is pretty much dead on with Christian teachings. Would you object less to the term communalism?

 

[idiom]

Wouldn't object to the term voluntarism.

 

[jsu718]

Wouldn't object to the term voluntarism.

Well, not by itself, but it would certainly distinguish the difference between the practice and the political party.

 

[BeFranklin]

The above post is what I was referring to as elitist bullshit, and it is. You know it, and I know it. I haven't claimed to be better than anyone.

Please don't ever respond to me again and I will offer you the same respect. There is nothing I have to say to you now, or ever.

Does vBull allow one to block a mod? Lets see...

Saying all religions are true is relativist bs.

 

[TurtleBurger]

Saying all religions are true is relativist bs.

There can be at most one religion that is wrong about everything. If there were 2 religions that were wrong about everything they would be the same religion. Therefore, either all religions are partially true, or all religions except for one are partially true. (The same argument in reverse can show that all religions except for at most one are partially false.)

 

[BeFranklin]

There can be at most one religion that is wrong about everything. If there were 2 religions that were wrong about everything they would be the same religion. Therefore, either all religions are partially true, or all religions except for one are partially true. (The same argument in reverse can show that all religions except for at most one are partially false.)

FYI I haven't answered your last message because I thought it would be a long topic, and didn't want to get into it right then.

 

[Theocrat]

There is Right Religion and Wrong Religion

All religions should be equal. If you want to talk numbers, in the worldwide scheme of things, I'd say Christianity is a minority. So you're lucky were giving you equal footing.

All religions are not equal, just as not all economic systems are equal. There are religions which are evil and inherently inconsistent, and there is a religion which is good and truly consistent. Your comment is simply relativist nonsense, and it is based on a fallacy of neutrality.

That is the major problem we have when discussing religion. There is this belief that somehow all religious beliefs have to be treated equally, but we never have that same mentality when we discuss different economic systems. We rightly understand that there are some economic systems, like socialism, which are evil and inherently dangerous, while others, like capitalism, are good and inherently prosperous.

The same applies to religious beliefs because the majority of religions out there (including humanism) are false and dangerous to any society. That doesn't mean we stone someone just because they have a different religious belief than another, but it does mean when we discuss any religious belief system, we must keep in mind that they are not the same and some are subject to error and lies. Once again, we do the same thing when we discuss any system of belief or discipline, such as economics, natural science, or foreign policy. We deem one system as best or superior to all others.

 

[PaulaGem]

All religions are wrong -

And I have not found one religion yet that did not have some element of Truth within its teachings.

Religion is the cultural and social expression of the Spiritual experience.

The Spiritual experience is by definition one Soul's experience of the Diety, the Infinite One.

Religion is easily contaminated by politics and exploited by spiritual vampires who thrive on the weakness of others.

Because Truth can only be percieved in a direct Spiritual relationship to God, because the perception of that infinite Truth varies from person to person and evolves and changes as an individual grows in Spirit and in Truth, religion can not be True.

At its best, religion is the "light on the path" referred to in the Bible and other religions. At its worst, it stifles and prevents true Spiritual growth in the individual.

 

[MRoCkEd]

There can be at most one religion that is wrong about everything. If there were 2 religions that were wrong about everything they would be the same religion.

no
there is more than one way to be wrong about everything

 

[PaulaGem]

That is the major problem we have when discussing religion. There is this belief that somehow all religious beliefs have to be treated equally, but we never have that same mentality when we discuss different economic systems. We rightly understand that there are some economic systems, like socialism, which are evil and inherently dangerous, while others, like capitalism, are good and inherently prosperous..

Now - name those systems.

I don't think there is any system on this earth, religious, political or economic that can not possibly be benevolently administerd for good or maliciously exploited to do harm.

The foundational problem is an empowered and enlightened constituency which fosters a responsible administration of the institution. Where that exists the system will rise to the expectations of those at the base.

When the people in this world realize that the harm they do to their fellow man comes back to them in the form of social and Spiritual degradation maybe we can get somewhere.

The progress this country made in its early years was due more to the empowerment of the common man, and the expansion of education and science within society than it was to the specific details of the political system.

The degradation of the system we are seeing now is due mostly to the fact that corporations and power structures are more important than the people.

Religions and political systems come and go, mankind's progress toward enlightenement is all that really matters.

Matthew 25:31-46

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

The "Golden Rule" is incorporated into each religious path that I know of except Satanism (not to be confused with Wicca) which is an un-religion and rather convoluted in its design and expression. It was the invention of a man and it is not a cultural religion.

See the link below for the "Golden Rule" in other religious paths:

http://plainview.wordpress.com/ethic-of-reciprocity/

 

[PaulaGem]

I have to refute the misrepresentations of my posts by BeFranklin.

If this is done through ignorance and inability to percieve the Truth in the beliefs of one who has been a Christian and studied the Bible her whole life, I pity and forgive him.

If this is done spitefully and through a need to be superior to another, I pity him all the more becuase he doesn't have a clue about where the Truth of Spirit is to be found.

BeFranklin - I defined gnosis for you - you didn't listen:

Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

KJV Psalms 119:11

The Word in Jewish thought is that which eminates from God - it may include inspired writings but it is not synonymous with the Bible, or the Torah for that matter.

According to my gnostic Christian beliefs, the Word is also gnosis, the seed of God's Truth that is within us all.

The Scriptures have been variously identified throughout history. They are not a static thing and the Bible is only the Scripture as identified by orthodox Christianity. If one does not accept the authority of orthodox Christianity one is not obligated to define the Word or Scripture as "THE BIBLE".

I told you that I believe ALL religions are cultural phenomenon and contain error. Truth is only to be gained in one's personal relationship with God.

My beliefs are based on the teachings of Yeshua.

I am a Christian, I will fellowship with someone from any religious path if I sense they are honestly seeking Truth.

You are simply too afraid to give up your religion and the superstition that goes with it. Yeshua said you have to be willing to give up EVERYTHING to follow him. You simply won't give up being right when it comes to things of the Spirit. That is an insult (blasphemy) to Spirit itself.

Sin is that which separates us from God. All sins become lessons in the light of Truth (this is the process of forgiveness) and help us progress toward the light, all but one, and that is the blasphemy of Spirit. If you don't let go of that one you can not go forward. It's in your Bible - go look.

 

[LATruth]

All religions are not equal, just as not all economic systems are equal. There are religions which are evil and inherently inconsistent, and there is a religion which is good and truly consistent. Your comment is simply relativist nonsense, and it is based on a fallacy of neutrality.

That is the major problem we have when discussing religion. There is this belief that somehow all religious beliefs have to be treated equally, but we never have that same mentality when we discuss different economic systems. We rightly understand that there are some economic systems, like socialism, which are evil and inherently dangerous, while others, like capitalism, are good and inherently prosperous.

The same applies to religious beliefs because the majority of religions out there (including humanism) are false and dangerous to any society. That doesn't mean we stone someone just because they have a different religious belief than another, but it does mean when we discuss any religious belief system, we must keep in mind that they are not the same and some are subject to error and lies. Once again, we do the same thing when we discuss any system of belief or discipline, such as economics, natural science, or foreign policy. We deem one system as best or superior to all others.

I don't see how you can compare a religious's worthiness with an economic system. One has a choice about religion, if you don't like it get the hell out of it. If you have an evil economic system you will suffer greatly with no choice. And history has shown that all religions at some point in time have had a negative impact on society, some more than others. This is another list that Christianity and Catholicism are on top of, unfortunately.

That doesn't mean we stone someone just because they have a different religious belief than another, but it does mean when we discuss any religious belief system, we must keep in mind that they are not the same and some are subject to error and lies.

All except your religion right? And BeFranklin's.

If I have truly learned anything from this forum, it's that one can not argue with blind faith. They will attack you personally, try to undermine your credibility, argue with points which aren't related to the topic, and quote scripture to defend scripture.

 

[PaulaGem]

One has a choice about religion, if you don't like it get the hell out of it.

Unfortunately, that isn't true everywhere in the world. Social and family pressure also make it difficult for some to leave a religion.

What I dislike the most about churches in general is the way they raise their sheep up to be followers and surrender their Spiritual power to political leaders. (This would include leaders within and without the church.)

 

[idiom]

Well, I suppose Theo and Bef could give us a list of which religions should be protected by the law and which ones shouldn't?