On Capitalist Jesus. The Evil of Christianity.

[heavenlyboy34]

The Bible is the greatest libertarian manifesto ever written; it is even anarchist in some sections.

Well, I dunno about the greatest, but it's way up there, IMHO.

 

[idiom]

I just like to see LATruth attacking other people for 'talking imaginary'.

Maybe its all the Chemtrails?

 

[Sandman33]

Someone said it best here:

"You can't talk logic with someone who talks imaginary."

You cant talk logic with someone that believes that logic is not a gift from God.

 

[LATruth]

I didn't write the OP, just posted to spur discussion. Sometimes is positive, sometimes it isn't. Thanks for the personal attacks though. This forum is showing it's herd mentality more and more on a daily basis.

 

[Sandman33]

I didn't write the OP, just posted to spur discussion. Sometimes is positive, sometimes it isn't. Thanks for the personal attacks though. This forum is showing it's herd mentality more and more on a daily basis.

I didn't personaly attack you.

Though what do you expect on a board dedicated to the great Ron Paul? Bringing anti-capitalism and atheism here would be like bringing a pentagram to church....probably not going to find a lot of fans.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I didn't write the OP, just posted to spur discussion. Sometimes is positive, sometimes it isn't. Thanks for the personal attacks though. This forum is showing it's herd mentality more and more on a daily basis.

~facepalm~ You opened with an attack, and invited them onto yourself. You are the douchebag of the day. (though I agree that there's too much herd mentality around here)

 

[TurtleBurger]

Most of the responses to the OP are ad hominem attacks. I don't think the article misquoted the Bible or took anything majorly out of context; it would appear to be a legitimate scriptural interpretation. Isn't one person's interpretation as good as another's, as long as he's personally guided by God?

 

[BeFranklin]

Wanted to post on the evil of LAtruth thread but closed

I wouldn't doubt that the la warrior for truth wrote it. He couldn't have "pasted" from the bold part unless he had access to the original part.

This was posted, by the way, by someone using the handle lucifer something or other from the other board. Posting it was just meant to be harassing.

Folks, we have too much trouble on the horizen for endless nonsense like this. Get to church, organize with your fellows, and prepare for a bad time ahead.

 

[BeFranklin]

Most of the responses to the OP are ad hominem attacks. I don't think the article misquoted the Bible or took anything majorly out of context; it would appear to be a legitimate scriptural interpretation. Isn't one person's interpretation as good as another's, as long as he's personally guided by God?

The original person that wrote it was calling himself lucifer something. You aren't serious are you?

 

[TurtleBurger]

The original person that wrote it was calling himself lucifer something. You aren't serious are you?

Focusing on the poster's screen name rather than on the content of their message counts as an ad hominem attack in my book!

 

[torchbearer]

Yay Communism!

If you are to follow christ, you are to give up your material wealth.
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven.
Jesus didn't go around erecting large temples to himself, he lived the life of a servant.
To walk his path, is to walk it as a servant to others.

Early christian colonies were completely communal.

 

[BeFranklin]

Focusing on the poster's screen name rather than on the content of their message counts as an ad hominem attack in my book!

It was posted on a board that from skimming other readers calls itself anti Christian, and the poster calls himself anti Christian.

This is hardly an ad hominem attack when the question is was what was posted suppose to be offensive and anti Christian. Well, the original writer (if there are two different posters) said so

 

[BeFranklin]

Things left out of the original post

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63676

Posted: luciferhorus Senior Member

From original article (parts cut out here):

By Lucifer
Day of Judgement 2008

....

Shame on Christendom

Though the teachings of Jesus are clearly offensive to the Christian Capitalists, it is quite fair to judge the Christians by the teachings of the person whom they claim to represent. If they do not wish to be so judged, they should not claim to represent Jesus; it would be more honest if they sold their slavation for coin in the name of Adam Smith, Ayn Rand or some other Capitalist .

Jesus was a very offensive person; he ranted and raged at the injustices of his society and cried out 'Woe to you hypocrites,' to the proponents of organised religion and Capital. If he had been diplomatic and had not given offence, it is unlikely that the priesthood would have placed a reward for his arrest. The prophets have always been very extreme and outspoken people

Today in the name of Jesus, all manner of religious hypocrisy is propagated in his name, Capitalist Revolution, the selling of salvation for coin, the construction of elaborate Temples while billions suffer in dire poverty, and 900 million people, mostly women and children are close to starvation.

Shame.

Woe to the Capitalist hypnotists of Christianity, in the name of the prophets they would have persecuted and rejected the prophets.

Great and terrible and dreadful and wrathful shall be the Day of Judgement.

They wheat shall be separated from the chaff (the Capitalists and the hypocrites of religion) and the chaff cast into the fire.

The Final Holocaust shall be worse than any other that has come before.

Lucifer

For Anarchism. For Communism. Lux. For War, Revolution, anything good but strong.

For armed violent apocalyptic revolution in all the world on a day and an hour.

No mercy or quarter on they who deserve none.

And in reply to original post, about forum


No I reject Christ and all his works; Christ is merely the god of Capital, of hypocrisy, of state terrorism, of religion and of all that is evil in the world; it is through the Capitalist Christ that the masses in Christendom have been controlled, hypnotised and made submissive to all manner of tyranny with the promise of eternal heaven to those who are submissive to evil and to the hypnotists of religion. Since this is the David Icke forum I should point out that this is very much his position also, though I use different language.

With regards to the historical Jesus, it is Icke's (owner of this board) position that he never existed; that is not my position; I think it quite likely that he did, and if he did not, well there were so many Messianic Israelite revolutionaries like him and he represents an historical archtype of that era.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

If you are to follow christ, you are to give up your material wealth.
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven.
Jesus didn't go around erecting large temples to himself, he lived the life of a servant.
To walk his path, is to walk it as a servant to others.

Early christian colonies were completely communal.

This is a rather poor interpretation of Yeshua's philosophy. He didn't like materialism at the expense of morality (which your post illustrates), but he never made the case that capitalism or ownership of property is immoral in and of itself (that I know of).

 

[torchbearer]

This is a rather poor interpretation of Yeshua's philosophy. He didn't like materialism at the expense of morality (which your post illustrates), but he never made the case that capitalism or ownership of property is immoral in and of itself (that I know of).

You must be talking about the Americanized version of jesus.
I challenge anyone here on the topic of Jesus. I've actually studied this stuff for years- over 14 years. At the college level with people who spoke and read hebrew/greek. Dug on the tel's of Israel. And also admit that our "feel-good" capitalist Jesus is our way of justifying our way of life and isn't realistic.
It would be better if you didn't try to draw those correlations. You are being dishonest.
How in the world would GOD care about material wealth? Think about it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

How in the world would GOD care about material wealth? Think about it.

Well, he doesn't want you coveting it and putting it before Him.

 

[torchbearer]

Well, he doesn't want you coveting it and putting it before Him.

In what gospel and verse did Jesus spout the ideas of capitalism?

 

[LibertyEagle]

In what gospel and verse did Jesus spout the ideas of capitalism?

You pretty much said it here, Torch.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2136596&postcount=31

God didn't want us to idolize material things. I think He made that abundantly clear. That's all I'm saying.

 

[BeFranklin]

Well, he doesn't want you coveting it and putting it before Him.

This is a good point. The bible wouldn't say not to covert something that isn't yours if it isn't pointing out property rights.

Also, our ideas of the free market comes from our "puritan work ethic". This has been preached about for a long time it seems.

 

[Dr.3D]

This is a good point. The bible wouldn't say not to covert something that isn't yours if it isn't pointing out property rights.

Also, our ideas of the free market comes from our "puritan work ethic". This has been preached about for a long time it seems.

I agree...

Why would God tell the people of Israel to use these things if He didn't want them to trade?

Leviticus 19:36 Just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin, shall ye have: I am the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt. KJ