OMG - Just in from Pensacola - TRAGIC!

I don't believe it. I believe you, just not that friend with a friend ;)

Understandable. I was also skeptical in response to the video which was on facebook and said so. I believe this person, but more accounts would help.
 
You are correct about one thing. This can indeed by analogied to an Environmental 9/11. Just like with 9/11, either elements of the government were sympathetic and allowed the lapse in the quality of the operations on the rig which led to the initial accident (Unlikely). Or more likely there was a specific effort to thwart quality efforts and direct action by actions of our government to blow the well (More Likely). There were gov. inspectors on the rig hours before it blew, the rig won an award for saftey by Obama's admins, and employees on the rig heard their managers yelling, over the phone, back at BP Execs saying "we cant do that, that's crazy."

Either way, just like with 9/11, there was criminality here, executed by a few, directed by a few more powerful, in order to carry out an agenda.

I say this to also say, this again means that the direction of our anger should not be focused on corporations or the existence of business, but at those criminal elements in our goverment/corporate alliance that actively caused this. Yes accidents happen in the course of business, because business is run by humans. But this was criminality that needs to be investigated.

Too bad the investigators are also the instigators.

It is to they you should direct your comments of "sociopathic fuckers" and it is they who should have their faces in the oil. Unfortunately this will not happen, but they will get their come-uppance one day, either in this life or the next, or both.

The liberty minded individuals in this forum are not your enemies. And the lack of emotion yet demonstration of stern attention and calm contemplation does not denote the lack of care or concern over the situation.

Becoming either panicked or frantically impassioned about any issue helps in neither case.

The sociopathic fuckers have appeared on several other threads, in the ongoing debate over whether global corporatism equals a "free market". They have made mny outrageous comments, some as insane as claiming a "right to pollute" as well a complete disregard for animal life and nature. That has nothing to do with liberty, any more than setting a canyon on fire does.

I agree about the perps being the real enemy. However, the anti life elites are the main shareholders of these global monstrosities that pass for "business". I wouldn't have called the British East India Company "business", either, though they enaged in commerse.
 
BTW, TNforPaul45, I don't feel panicked. I am sickened and angry. If all of BP's assets went to the Gulf, and Cheney and Obama were hanged from the lamposts, it couldn't compensate for what's been done. Some things are priceless, like life and the ecosystem. Depending on if this is stopped (or not - don't want to think about that!), the Gulf should recover, but the damage is done. It may not be same for many of our lifetimes.
 
... some as insane as claiming a "right to pollute".

Susano... again that was me. And I'm not insane. I had hoped that you were actually intelligent enough to understand that we do have a natural right to pollute... just like we have a natural right to eat. If you aren't smart enough to understand our natural right to pollute, then what do you call excrement?
 
Susano... again that was me. And I'm not insane. I had hoped that you were actually intelligent enough to understand that we do have a natural right to pollute... just like we have a natural right to eat. If you aren't smart enough to understand our natural right to pollute, then what do you call excrement?

Grow up. Go start another poo thread.
 
You seem to be the only one not smart enough to understand.

A pollutant is a waste material that pollutes air, water or soil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution

Ok, Ok, lets stop S*tting with each other........literally.

From a Libertarian standpoint, I would say that no, we do not have a natural right to pollute. The basis of libertarian thought, if I am not mistaken, says that we can undertake any action, as long as that action does not harm another person, or prevent them from the freedom of action. Harming another person can be seen as either harming them directly, or harming the profits of their labors (preventing them access to their person or property).

So no, polluting is not a right, because pollution affects either land or animal (food) resources, where the land is owned or the food is harvested by people who own the rights to either, and thus the pollution would deny them access to either, and would violate the basic Libertarian principle.

So excrement, while a bodily function cannot be done just anywhere. Please don't make me get into the details on this (haha!).

But pollution does happen. And that is where our Legal system kicks in, and forces a restitution to the owner by the polluter, and restoring of the value lost and the potential future value denied, as well as a restoring to the state pre-damage.

Rothbard can explain this much better.
 
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We need to learn how to manage all of our pollution. I claim a natural right to pollute.
 
He told a lie. He said I admitted that I have not posted about the fake environmental movement. I didn't admit anything of the sort because I have posted EXTENSIVELY about that very subject, as well as cap and trade fraud. I called him on a lie.

So, YOU go away.

If that is your definition of a "lie" then using your own measuring stick you are "full of sh*t". You claimed I as defending the corporations. I have not. Have you gone threw and read every thread of mine to see everything I've ever said about corporations? Then by your own standards YOU need to "go away". Now in this thread you, by your own admission, have only attacked the government and corporations. If you expect people to go through every other thread you wrote to see where you said this or that then you are just as unrealistic as you are hysterical. Like I said. You need to take a chill pill. Step back from the discussion for a second and quit assuming everyone who doesn't immediately agree with you 100% is "the enemy".

As for being against cap and trade, good for you. But you don't seem to understand the role the phony environmentalists have played in THIS disaster. For that matter, based on your discussion in another thread, you don't understand the government role other than "the government didn't regulate enough". So no. I haven't lied in the least.
 
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Susano... again that was me. And I'm not insane. I had hoped that you were actually intelligent enough to understand that we do have a natural right to pollute... just like we have a natural right to eat. If you aren't smart enough to understand our natural right to pollute, then what do you call excrement?

Excrement is not toxic and can be composted.

http://www.amazon.com/Humanure-Handbook-Guide-Composting-Manure/dp/0964425831

You might not want to eat your veggies from it but you can certainly grow ornamentals and trees with it.
 
Not all pollution is toxic. Pollution is just an over abundance of something that doesn't belong in nature in such proportions. Pollution upsets the balance of nature.

If I dumped a ton of sugar in a river, I would have polluted it with sugar.
 
An even worse video, WTF is happening here?

YouTube - Surf On Pensacola Beach Boiling Like Acid

I wonder if that is the dispersants. And I wonder if the dispersants are really causing more damage than good. We don't know what the long-term effects are on the ocean and animal life.

BP seems to be using them to keep the oil below the surface where it can't be seen as easily, but where it can actually do more harm. It is also an issue because it is slipping underneath the booms, and it doesn't allow them to burn it off like would be possible if they allowed it to rise to the surface without using dispersants.
 
Excrement is not toxic and can be composted.

http://www.amazon.com/Humanure-Handbook-Guide-Composting-Manure/dp/0964425831

You might not want to eat your veggies from it but you can certainly grow ornamentals and trees with it.

Oil can be composted too.

http://www.reflector.com/news/pitt-county-crop-may-help-oil-spill-37229

A crop grown and processed in Pitt County could soon be helping to soak up oil from the spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

Kenaf, a fibrous plant native to Africa and brought to North Carolina in the past decade, is already being used by Greenville-based company RF Wastewater to absorb and and break down sludge in local municipal wastewater treatment plants.

Kenaf could similarly be applied to the oil smearing the shores of Louisiana and other Gulf states since the spill began when a BP oil rig exploded in late April.

“Kenaf is mother nature’s most absorbent plant; it’s like a sponge on steroids,” said Eric Pierce, a Farmville native who is farming kenaf for RF Wastewater on his family farm between Fountain and Falkland.

The company makes its product, called Activated Kenaf (patent pending) by taking the finely ground core of the kenaf plant and adding naturally occurring microbes that break down oil soaked up by the plant materials, RF Wastewater Principal Walt Brown explained.
 
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