Okay, I see a problem here, what's the solution?

[HVACTech]

At this point there is such broad disagreement on fundamentals that there is no useful function for this forum anymore, and it's become an unfortunate display of the inability of many participants to handle whatever stage of grief they're in. If you read the Trump threads in particular, you can see that a number of people are in the midst of unfolding mental breakdowns.

If it were my site, I'd set a 90-day timer to let everyone establish independent contacts with friends made here, then shut it down, so that visitors to the site would see merely


Liberty Movement
born August 1765
died June 7th, 2012
R.I.P.

can Liberty defend itself? can anarchy defend itself?

or are they in fact, one and the same?

if they are.. one and the same, then..
the primary threat to both becomes obvious. it is the "state"
can the "state" be prohibited from forming?
and if it is NOT possible to stop "states" from forming..

FUNDAMENTAL query. (our founders faced this very same dilemma)
how do we protect ourselves from "states", outside our CONfederation?

how do we prohibit our own CONfederation of "states" from straying down the wrong path?



"when life and people bring on primal scream, you've got to think of what it takes to make your dreams. " heh,



if indeed Anarchy, CANNOT stop "states" from forming.
then anarchy needs to be discarded as a viable preposition.
in favor of something that can control or at least, minimize them.

if all my friends from this place... do not recognize this as fact.. in 9 years running..
then they are not my friends or family.
and this bad is on me.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Here's a thought. I wonder if all the money raised in money bombs since 2007 had instead gone to ballot initiatives to legalize pot? I'm beginning to believe that direct democracy is the only way to get freedom back.

Direct Democracy may make a small handful of social issues marginally better, but the electorate by and large are blithering idiots. I'm pretty confident that if we were to truly empower direct democracy in America, then ultimately the costs would far outweigh the benefits.

 

[69360]

Here's a thought. I wonder if all the money raised in money bombs since 2007 had instead gone to ballot initiatives to legalize pot? I'm beginning to believe that direct democracy is the only way to get freedom back.

Oh they will let that happen anyway eventually. A nation of dopers is easier for the overlords to control.

 

[wmmonk]

Right. I'm a "progressive" because I know what a tyrant looks like. If you want to know why we can't have a "rational discussion" about Trump, then I suggest you invest in a mirror.

Vermin Supreme is a tyrant. He admits it. I support Vermin Supreme, because he is at least honest (I think?!).

At the OP:
I'm not supporting anybody other than Vermin Supreme, because he is the best choice obviously, but I do understand where some get from seeing Donald Trump apparently "destroying" the establishment GOP.

I think it's pretty amazing at how much Donald Trump has survived with his candidacy, considering many of the things he has said and done would have tanked other campaigns in the past.
If the only two things Donald Trump's campaign did was to destroy the Bush dynasty idea (not sure if it's long-term enough) and make Glenn Beck appear even crazier and hopefully hurt his credibility even more, then those are things that I think are good.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

At this point there is such broad disagreement on fundamentals that there is no useful function for this forum anymore, and it's become an unfortunate display of the inability of many participants to handle whatever stage of grief they're in. If you read the Trump threads in particular, you can see that a number of people are in the midst of unfolding mental breakdowns.

If it were my site, I'd set a 90-day timer to let everyone establish independent contacts with friends made here, then shut it down, so that visitors to the site would see merely


Liberty Movement
born August 1765
died June 7th, 2012
R.I.P.

LOL well, that's not surprising. You want to shut it all down and close up shop...and I'm supposed to be the bad guy? How about just banish the trumpshit to it's own ignorable subform where people who actually love liberty don't have to be annoyed by the petty tyrants and dingbat despots?

 

[Dr.3D]

Oh they will let that happen anyway eventually. A nation of dopers is easier for the overlords to control.

I hear some kinds of dope might help people see through the smoke and mirrors of the political system. Maybe that's why dopes illegal.

 

[wmmonk]

That is a pretty bold statement from someone who has only been here since October 2015.....just sayin'....

Go back and read the old threads. It's amazing what you can see and find in them.
2012 was not a good year for this forum. Many active liberty activists, were run off the forums. Many of them left on their own from what happened with Ron Paul 2012, and they didn't return this year.

Where were all the video makers? Photo editors? Yes, the sign wavers? The blimpers? The people organizing the Tea Parties around the country and holding a moneybomb on the same day?

I can link you to some of the threads I've been reading through, and it doesn't matter when you join to do that if you look and try to learn from history. I just see history is repeating itself again on the forums.

 

[twomp]

The only argument I've heard as to why Ted Cruz is supposedly worse than Donald Trump is that Cruz received sacks of the Gold man's money. (Goldman Sachs money). So? Rand Paul received Peter Thiel money and Thiel is a member of the Bilderberg Group and they're just as bad as Gold man's sacks. I don't like Cruz being such a freaking Israel firster though. (Forgot about his asshattery of trying to tell Middle East Christians that if they didn't "stand with Israel" he couldn't "stand with them." Ugggghh!)

I may not vote.

Did Rand Paul hide it from the public for years as well?

 

[phill4paul]

Hunter S. Thompson would approve of...

John McAfee 2016!

"When the going get's weird, the weird turn pro!"

 

[Origanalist]

I hear some kinds of dope might help people see through the smoke and mirrors of the political system. Maybe that's why dopes illegal.

That and there is a shitload of money and power to be had by the King decreeing it unacceptable to the court.

 

[Dr.3D]

That and there is a shitload of money and power to be had by the King decreeing it unacceptable to the court.

Of course the king can play that two ways and attach a huge tax to make it acceptable.

 

[thoughtomator]

can Liberty defend itself? can anarchy defend itself?

or are they in fact, one and the same?

if they are.. one and the same, then..
the primary threat to both becomes obvious. it is the "state"
can the "state" be prohibited from forming?
and if it is NOT possible to stop "states" from forming..

FUNDAMENTAL query. (our founders faced this very same dilemma)
how do we protect ourselves from "states", outside our CONfederation?

how do we prohibit our own CONfederation of "states" from straying down the wrong path?



"when life and people bring on primal scream, you've got to think of what it takes to make your dreams. " heh,

Anarchy isn't even the same thing as anarchy.

There are so many different versions of what anarchy is, and many of them are fundamentally opposed to each other.

In my opinion, complete-statelessness must necessarily resolve to some version of feudalism. It is not a stable form of civilization.

 

[HVACTech]

Anarchy isn't even the same thing as anarchy.

There are so many different versions of what anarchy is, and many of them are fundamentally opposed to each other.

In my opinion, complete-statelessness must necessarily resolve to some version of feudalism. It is not a stable form of civilization.

and the difference between anarchy and Liberty would be... what?

WARNING! the op understands both proportional controls and servomechanisms.
he is very "controlling"

 

[phill4paul]

and the difference between anarchy and Liberty would be... what?

John "Fuggin" McAfee 2016!

Honestly.

 

[Occam's Banana]

 

[Ronin Truth]

Politics is a sociopathic cult.

 

[thoughtomator]

and the difference between anarchy and Liberty would be... what?

Nothing, if you can physically dominate the area in which you wish to operate.

For everyone else, it means you are prey for that guy.

 

[Ronin Truth]

and the difference between anarchy and Liberty would be... what?

You don't need to get a shepherd's permission for anarchy.

 

[libertyjam]

Hunter S. Thompson would approve of...

John McAfee 2016!

"When the going get's weird, the weird turn pro!"

I approve this message

 

[specsaregood]

Where were all the video makers? Photo editors? Yes, the sign wavers? The blimpers? The people organizing the Tea Parties around the country and holding a moneybomb on the same day?

They grew up, added responsibilities, they had kids, got mortgages, other interests. Unfortunately for this election cycle, there was more competition in specific niches for the new blood and other candidates focusing on top interests that took away old blood.