Okay, I see a problem here, what's the solution?

[Dr.3D]

As members of RPF, loving liberty and wishing to pursue the proper course of action to achieve more liberty, what are our choices in this presidential election?

With the current list of candidates, what is the best case scenario we can hope for?

I see a lot of argumentation about one certain candidate. I'm not even going to say his name, but I do want some input here.

What outcome from this mess should be our objective?

Who do you want to see nominated in the primary?

I suppose one option is that we are supposed to just sit this one out and hope for the best?

 

[acptulsa]

Promote McAfee on the grounds that if the American people demand a criminal and a clown, it might as well be something besides a totalitarian criminal clown.

 

[Dr.3D]

Promote McAfee on the grounds that if the American people demand a criminal and a clown, it might as well be something besides a totalitarian criminal clown.

Good, but what are the chances he would be nominated? I mean, even if we could get all of the liberty people to vote for him?
Or is this just supposed to be an educational exercise?

 

[jmdrake]

Here's an option you haven't considered. It's from Matthew 24:20.

Pray that your flight be not in winter neither on the Sabbath day.

 

[thoughtomator]

Good, but what are the chances he would be nominated? I mean, even if we could get all of the liberty people to vote for him?
Or is this just supposed to be an educational exercise?

If we're going to do a futile educational exercise then we all may as well just write in Ron Paul for the millionth time again.

Some people have become absolutely unhinged at the ugly process of sorting and evaluating the various rogues and cretins that are the only ones left who could realistically win.

 

[VIDEODROME]

Deez Nutz

 

[hells_unicorn]

As members of RPF, loving liberty and wishing to pursue the proper course of action to achieve more liberty, what are our choices in this presidential election?

With the current list of candidates, what is the best case scenario we can hope for?

I see a lot of argumentation about one certain candidate. I'm not even going to say his name, but I do want some input here.

What outcome from this mess should be our objective?

Who do you want to see nominated in the primary?

I suppose one option is that we are supposed to just sit this one out and hope for the best?

Concentrate on the lower echelons of American politics, namely senate seats, congressional elections, state and local offices. If the main course section of a buffet is serving deep friend excrement and baked excrement, check the areas where the side dishes and the salad bar are located and see if there is anything worth consuming. The stronger the presence of liberty office holders at the lower levels, the less damage the despot at the top can perpetuate.

 

[Dr.3D]

If we're going to do a futile educational exercise then we all may as well just write in Ron Paul for the millionth time again.

Some people have become absolutely unhinged at the ugly process of sorting and evaluating the various rogues and cretins that are the only ones left who could realistically win.

That's the purpose of this thread.

I want to see what folks here can come up with as some kind of most acceptable end result we should all be working toward.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

Honest opinion shut down the 2016 forum and focus on the site initiative. This shit is toxic.

 

[nikcers]

Shut down the 2016 convention, nominate ham sandwich.

 

[jmdrake]

The only argument I've heard as to why Ted Cruz is supposedly worse than Donald Trump is that Cruz received sacks of the Gold man's money. (Goldman Sachs money). So? Rand Paul received Peter Thiel money and Thiel is a member of the Bilderberg Group and they're just as bad as Gold man's sacks. I don't like Cruz being such a freaking Israel firster though. (Forgot about his asshattery of trying to tell Middle East Christians that if they didn't "stand with Israel" he couldn't "stand with them." Ugggghh!)

I may not vote.

 

[Dr.3D]

Concentrate on the lower echelons of American politics, namely senate seats, congressional elections, state and local offices. If the main course section of a buffet is serving deep friend excrement and baked excrement, check the areas where the side dishes and the salad bar are located and see if there is anything worth consuming. The stronger the presence of liberty office holders at the lower levels, the less damage the despot at the top can perpetuate.

So you are saying, we should just ignore the presidential election and do something else at this time?

Sure the menu sucks, but if we are going to be forced to eat something from it, shouldn't we try to select the one item with the least excrement in it?

 

[acptulsa]

Good, but what are the chances he would be nominated? I mean, even if we could get all of the liberty people to vote for him?
Or is this just supposed to be an educational exercise?

Well, the only liberty people who can vote for him are the delegates to the Libertarian Party convention.

But, yes. If lampooning the electorate is the only way to educate them, then by all means.

 

[thoughtomator]

That's the purpose of this thread.

I want to see what folks here can come up with as some kind of most acceptable end result we should all be working toward.

At this point there is such broad disagreement on fundamentals that there is no useful function for this forum anymore, and it's become an unfortunate display of the inability of many participants to handle whatever stage of grief they're in. If you read the Trump threads in particular, you can see that a number of people are in the midst of unfolding mental breakdowns.

If it were my site, I'd set a 90-day timer to let everyone establish independent contacts with friends made here, then shut it down, so that visitors to the site would see merely


Liberty Movement
born August 1765
died June 7th, 2012
R.I.P.

 

[Makes Interesting Points]

This may be a risky mindset, but one of the best outcomes may be Trump or Cruz winning the Republican nomination, but then losing to Clinton in the general election, provided Clinton has an unpopular term. Then Clinton may destroy the country, and we'd only have to wait four years for another liberty candidate to participate in the Republican nomination process, rather than 8. If Trump wins the nomination, but loses to Clinton, the Republican voters would continue their trial-and-error mindset and think "Well, if the moderate Romney lost to the Democrat, and the very moderate and non-substantive Trump lost to the Democrat, then what the heck kind of Republican can we elect that will beat the Democrat? Hey, who's this Paul guy... he's actually substantive, and is very conservative unlike Trump, yet has appeal to moderates". In the scenario where Cruz wins the nomination, but loses to Clinton, Republican voters would think "Well, if the moderate Romney lost to the Democrat, and the very conservative dirty trickster & evangelical pandering Cruz lost to the Democrat, then what the heck kind of Republican can we elect that won't lose to the Democrat? Hey, listen to this Paul guy. Every type of Republican keeps losing to the Democrat, so maybe we should go with this legit conservative guy who has appeal to moderates with all that criminal justice reform talk".

 

[Dr.3D]

Well, the only liberty people who can vote for him are the delegates to the Libertarian Party convention.

But, yes. If lampooning the electorate is the only way to educate them, then by all means.

I'm still trying to figure out how successful our educational campaign has been so far. Any feedback that you've seen?

 

[Dr.3D]

At this point there is such broad disagreement on fundamentals that there is no useful function for this forum anymore, and it's become an unfortunate display of the inability of many participants to handle whatever stage of grief they're in. If you read the Trump threads in particular, you can see that a number of people are in the midst of unfolding mental breakdowns.

If it were my site, I'd set a 90-day timer to let everyone establish independent contacts with friends made here, then shut it down, so that visitors to the site would see merely


Liberty Movement
born August 1765
died June 7th, 2012
R.I.P.

I'm hoping for something more conducive to the health of this site and could tide us through till after the primary.

 

[RJB]

I only take comfort that we are not the first group of people to watch society go down in flames and not be able to do a thing to stop it. Others had lived through it in the past. I may just enjoy more quality time with friends and family.

 

[Dr.3D]

I only take comfort that we are not the first group of people to watch society go down in flames and not be able to do a thing to stop it. Others had lived through it in the past. I may just enjoy more quality time with friends and family.

So you don't plan on visiting the forums as much as before?

There's more to RPF than the 2016 presidential elections. I was hoping to get an idea of what our focus here on RPF should be while we watch society go down in flames.

 

[nikcers]

There is always another choice, but they are all false choices, anyone who has a chance at winning at this point in the election are establishment pawns. We always have more choices then we are given, but revolutions are almost always bloody. The problem we have had over the years is a false choice of two parties. When the executive begins writing legislation a form of Tyranny will ensue, I don't think of any of those crazy bastards are arguing for less executive power besides Rand. Sanders at least has a good chance at being at least anti neocon, but Trump is just a neocon trojan, with Sanders hopefully we would at least get gridlock but he is just a progressive Trojan so Clinton can win the primary instead of being coronated.