OK to leave Flyers on windshields?

[cstarace]

I've been stopped by security for putting flyers on windshields at the mall parking lot. Told me that if I didn't have permission from mall management that I wasn't allowed because it was private property. I basically agreed, told the security guy that I respected private property rights and I left.

Other than that, go for it.

 

[ghengis86]

I voted no since I don't like windshield spam. Not that's it's illegal or violation of property rights, I just don't care for it. Usially woethless junk. When I get flyers in my car, I read it and 99 times out of 100 I just pitch it.

If it happens to be a Ron Paul flyer though, I'd keep it.

So even though I don't care for the practice it's not that big of a deal. Maybe handing them out personally would bemikee effective, but do what you can to spread the message.

Good luck!

 

[ghengis86]

I've been stopped by security for putting flyers on windshields at the mall parking lot. Told me that if I didn't have permission from mall management that I wasn't allowed because it was private property. I basically agreed, told the security guy that I respected private property rights and I left.

Other than that, go for it.

OP, this is the attitude to have if you decide to windshield spam.

 

[millercards]

Thanks for all the input... very interesting thoughts.

We got started late. I did a few... couldn't decide if I wanted to hit the big lots... decided it was too late... AND ITS -8 DEGREE WINDCHILL!!

Picked a rough weekend... we'll be hitting it hard tomorrow.


As per Meetup.... I am in a couple of groups from that site, but they are all in the county to the south or east. I'm trying to work on my area.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

If life were fair, you would. You would also have a right to privacy. However, it just ain't so. I doubt any court would take seriously a case against a flyer-pusher. You really don't have a reasonable expectation to very much at all in public spaces. This is the folly of public space.

If we are talking legal speak, I don't really have a "reasonable expectation" of anything, anyplace, anymore. lol. The fact that the OP is "signing" his note be email (flimsy, but better than nothing) holds big weight with me.

But we are having a few different discussions here in this thread, one being what things are (reality), and another being what things ought to be (philosophy).

And not to be contrary for no reason, but I would also assert that I *do* have a right to privacy. Whether people recognize it, and my response to it, are a case by case thing. But as I see it, my right to privacy remains intact.

 

[RonPaulFever]

If it rains and the mushy paper mess has to be scraped off of windshields, you're going to piss off a lot of people...

 

[wrestlingwes_8]

"materialist"

Wtf is your point? Would you like to strip everyone of possessions, stick them in camps, and make them learn the "TRUTH.?"

Here's the truth. I don't really have shit. You can't take much from me besides my dignity. I sure don't need you fucking up my windshield wiper. You'd need to pull it out from under the hood, anyway.

"Plus, "I may have repercussions to deal with" ...what is that?"

That's real world. I'll protect what little I have. You seem to be taking a position that it is somehow yours to do with as you please. Not true. I'm coming from a position of protecting peoples' property, wherever they leave it. That is what I teach my daughter. "Is it yours? No? Then you need to leave it alone where it is. Just because it is not attended does not mean it is yours."

I'm not a baby for suggesting I will protect myself or my property. You, otoh, are making a lot of inaccurate assumptions. If you're drinking tonight, I suggest you get off this thread and decide if you want to continue your line of thought tomorrow.

I never once suggested it was "mine to do with as I please". I merely pointed out how absurd it is to defend your automobile like it is an urn containing your grandmother's ashes.

You may have also understood if you had indeed watched and listened to the video link

 

[centure7]

Flyers on wind shields are INCREDIBLY annoying!

I'm sorry, but I hate em. I don't want people touching my precious car - Sasha!!

I'd be pissed if a campaign did that to me. It would be a lost vote for sure unless it was Ron Paul or Rand Paul. It would make much more sense to post anti-candidate ads because you want to channel their anger on a candidate that sucks.

Putting a paper on someones car windshield is littering.

 

[centure7]

I'm not a fan of the involuntary servitude of cleaning up after people. That is why I get very pissed off when someone drafts me for trash duty by littering on my car. If they were to attach a dollar to the thing as payment for cleaning up after them, fine. Otherwise its involuntary servitude. Anyone who is a Ron Paul fan is going to dislike mandatory community service and therefore be annoyed by the flyers on their windshield.

 

[millercards]

Where does one draw the line from trying to free the entire country from tax slavery?

 

[devil21]

I voted no. They're irritating, I don't read them and I consider them a violation of my property rights.

I understand that they may bring votes but they also may lose them.

 

[bbar]

I say it's okay. Sometimes they're annoying, but a lot of people actually take the time to read what's printed. My friends opened a supplement store and they would flyer all the local gyms. I was actually really surprised with how much business they got from it.

 

[Louis Vouid]

That 10% of the voting stat is why I'm shying away from going door to door.

If I get a 1% return on the flyers, it will have been worth it to me.

Trying to start a group in the county from almost scratch.

You are not factoring in the very real possibility of having a 1% success rate in getting new supporters...but having a 2% failure rate in pissing off people who might otherwise have been open to other means of conversion. And maybe far worse than 2% failure if people complain to the point where cops are called and it gets out in the news talking about the illegal activity by your group.

First off, QUIT BEING A BABY!

Are you seriously concerned about a piece of materialist trash that won't even work 15 years from now?

Wow! IF you really think that a car is "materialistic piece of trash, then you are the kind of Ron Paul supporter that people laugh at. I am going to assume you have never had a job, girlfriend or hobby in your life, because a car is a NECESSITY for many people. And you are laughably trying to belittle people for having a car? Are you fucking joking?

Seriously..if you don't ever plan on owning a car, then Ron Paul winning will NOT help you lead a real life worth meaning. You are SEVERELY limiting your options, both career-wise and socially, unless you live in one of the very few major cities with excellent public transportation. (meaning subways...not just buses.) And even there, you are limiting your social future.

 

[Louis Vouid]

Plus, "I may have repercussions to deal with" ...what is that? Whether physical or legal action is taken, it is comparable to "the coffee I bought from McDonald's was too hot and I burned myself..I should get compensation" Yeah sure, someone's property "could" become damaged due to an activity such as this, but it would almost certainly have to be intentional. Lifting a windshield wiper up an inch and slipping a flyer underneath it is hardly damaging to ANYONE or ANYTHING...so yes, you are being a baby...and no, it doesn't change your position but it accurately outlines how you are acting.

I hate to tell you, but people who know the ACTUAL story of the McDonalds coffee incident don't consider it a joke lawsuit. Even MCDONALDS admitted the were liable. But a lot of ignorant people like to whine about it without knowing that part, or any of the facts.

The facts were, this McDonalds was REPEATEDLY warned by McDonalds Corporate Offices that their coffee was too hot. WAY above the safe temperature to drink (people had reported having their mouths scalded by this coffee several times before the incident, as well as what is considered the right temperature for taste. But they continued to do so because it mean saving about 12 cents a day because they were able to make a couple fewer pots throughout the day since the coffee stayed hot enough to serve longer. And despite being warned, they kept doing it, and the result was that a simple spill (which yes...even YOU have done before) results in THIRD DEGREE BURNS with permanent scars and disfigurement, even after several months of very painful skin grafts that would have made you cry like a baby.

What the woman did (spill it) was NOT the cause of those burns. That is because people spill coffee on themselves all the time and the result is some minor and very temporary discomfort. The reason for her injuries was this particular McDonalds location putting their customers safety at risk in an effort to save about $2 a week in costs. It is EXACTLY what civil lawsuits were made for. To prevent big name corporations from walking over the little people.

And again..at NO POINT did McDonalds say they were not liable. They went to court due to the amount. And in the end, the woman got barely enough to cover her extensive medical bills.