OK to leave Flyers on windshields?

[Clay Hamm]

I don't think it is okay. It's private property. Leave it alone. Better to go inside the mall and interact directly with the people rather than just leave them on the windshield. I think the ROI would be greater with personal interaction. Target people sitting in the rest areas on the couches (husbands and older folks) or those who are just standing around waiting for their spouse to finish shopping. They would probably enjoy having something to read while they wait.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

i get annoyed if i see something on my windshield and i usually dont bother to read what it says. unless it was a ticket haha.

 

[G-Wohl]

I've always been confused about one thing... in general is it OK to put up Ron Paul stickers on public property, such as a telephone pole or things of that nature?

I see a lot of Ron Paul signage on public property of this nature in my city (Hoboken, NJ) and I've always wondered if this is actually legal in most cases.

EDIT: I know it's wrong to put it on private property - asking specifically about public utilities and properties accessible from the street. Last election season, I actually had a few people put Ron Paul signs on commercial property I own in Connecticut, but they were home-made and of course, I am a supporter, so I kept them up

 

[eleganz]

thats what i do...I don't even care anymore...guerilla marketing...all the way...I got stickers at every gas nozzle pump in my area.

I've always been confused about one thing... in general is it OK to put up Ron Paul stickers on public property, such as a telephone pole or things of that nature?

I see a lot of Ron Paul signage on public property of this nature in my city (Hoboken, NJ) and I've always wondered if this is actually legal in most cases.

 

[Keith and stuff]

My car has been flyers at shopping centers and colleges many times. It never really bothered me. It may turn away a few people but most of those people were unlikely to support your cause anyway.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I hate to say this, but....

First off, DON'T TOUCH MY CAR.

Second, DON'T PUT GARBAGE ON MY CAR.

Because now that you've left garbage on my car, I have to decide whether to discard it in the parking lot (for them not preventing it and it being their problem imo) or I have to find someplace else to discard it.

Do you know how my wipers work? Where exactly are you planning to put this garbage on my car at? If you damage my car while screwing with it, I'll hold you accountable for it. If I catch you doing it, you have an entirely different problem that I might make you deal with immediately. I'm not violent, but I don't think you want to have that conversation with me.

Do I read shit people put on my car? No. I look around the parking lot in case I can give them their garbage back directly. Would I email you If I looked? Probably not, and I'd probably respect you for signing it.


Issue #2 Does it help Paul? Maybe.


I would not be afraid to flyer a courthouse parking garage with FIJA material. But in that case, I'm also willing to accept the sentiments and results I listed above from someone like me. I think you have a whole ton of gray area to think about.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

duplicate

 

[wrestlingwes_8]

I hate to say this, but....

First off, DON'T TOUCH MY CAR.

Second, DON'T PUT GARBAGE ON MY CAR.

Because now that you've left garbage on my car, I have to decide whether to discard it in the parking lot (for them not preventing it and it being their problem imo) or I have to find someplace else to discard it.

Do you know how my wipers work? Where exactly are you planning to put this garbage on my car at? If you damage my car while screwing with it, I'll hold you accountable for it. If I catch you doing it, you have an entirely different problem that I might make you deal with immediately. I'm not violent, but I don't think you want to have that conversation with me.

Do I read shit people put on my car? No. I look around the parking lot in case I can give them their garbage back directly. Would I email you If I looked? Probably not, and I'd probably respect you for signing it.


Issue #2 Does it help Paul? Maybe.


I would not be afraid to flyer a courthouse parking garage with FIJA material. But in that case, I'm also willing to accept the sentiments and results I listed above from someone like me. I think you have a whole ton of gray area to think about.

First off, QUIT BEING A BABY!

Are you seriously concerned about a piece of materialist trash that won't even work 15 years from now?

Secondly, by stating that you don't read "anything" that is put on your car implies that you are selective with the information that is presented to you...(whether it is verifiable or not!)

Thirdly, are you really considering littering because someone put a flyer on your car???? The "not in my backyard" philosophy is what has led this nation to be one of the biggest polluters in the world


All in all.....GO FOR IT!!! PLASTER EVERY CAR YOU SEE!! This is an information battle and we need to win it in order to gain the nomination...time to wake people up instead of being concerned with what gets placed on a "tin-can P.O.S."!!

 

[MikeStanart]

Gas stations will generally have gas card applications at the pump.

Stuff with Ron Paul Brochures

Profit.

I think it's less wasteful, people will grab one while they're pumping gas, and they will choose to read it, instead of ripping it off their windshield and tossing it.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

First off, QUIT BEING A BABY!

Are you seriously concerned about a piece of materialist trash that won't even work 15 years from now?

Secondly, by stating that you don't read "anything" that is put on your car implies that you are selective with the information that is presented to you...(whether it is verifiable or not!)

Thirdly, are you really considering littering because someone put a flyer on your car???? The "not in my backyard" philosophy is what has led this nation to be one of the biggest polluters in the world

That's what you got? Personal insults? In addition to an assertion that you have some right to litter in public or screw with my personal property based on the value YOU place on it?

If you touch me or things I own, you may have repercussions to deal with. Calling me a baby will not change that in the slightest bit.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I don't think putting flyers on cars in a lot is a violation of property. It's a risk one takes in exercising the liberty to park in a public place. If you don't want the flyers, pick a private lot or ride a bus.

 

[mczerone]

Is it OK? Sure.

Is it EFFECTIVE? NOT AT ALL! You lose more support than you gain.

 

[wrestlingwes_8]

That's what you got? Personal insults? In addition to an assertion that you have some right to litter in public or screw with my personal property based on the value YOU place on it?

If you touch me or things I own, you may have repercussions to deal with. Calling me a baby will not change that in the slightest bit.

You are the one that suggested littering the parking lot, not me..

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2: "Because now that you've left garbage on my car, I have to decide whether to discard it in the parking lot"


If you are so concerned about your materialist possessions that you would oppose any method that would spread the TRUTH (besides methods that would interfere with someone's personal liberty) then you really need to rethink your positions.

Plus, "I may have repercussions to deal with" ...what is that? Whether physical or legal action is taken, it is comparable to "the coffee I bought from McDonald's was too hot and I burned myself..I should get compensation" Yeah sure, someone's property "could" become damaged due to an activity such as this, but it would almost certainly have to be intentional. Lifting a windshield wiper up an inch and slipping a flyer underneath it is hardly damaging to ANYONE or ANYTHING...so yes, you are being a baby...and no, it doesn't change your position but it accurately outlines how you are acting.

This whole idea of these things ARE MINE!, and you better not touch MY things or you'll be sorry, is disgusting...I suggest you watch this video (less that 3 minutes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fuCrxRZWn8 .....it's the opening of the video "Zeitgeist: Moving Forward" (and don't try to skew what I am saying...I am only siting the opening skit of Moving Forward, not the content of the documentary).

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I don't think putting flyers on cars in a lot is a violation of property. It's a risk one takes in exercising the liberty to park in a public place.

And one also takes a risk when touching other peoples' property, wherever it is. Obviously, any car being flyered does not belong to the person doing it. Original poster is signing his name to them, so I have much respect for that. Leaving your property in a public place doesn't make it some sort of free-for-all to grab windshield wipers, stuff papers under hoods, etc. Private property should be respected in public places because it is the property that is privately owned. Being in a public place does not make you subject to personal space or property violations.

Like I said previously in this thread, I'm not absolutist on the issue. I've done it. I'll do it again. (FIJA, not RP)

But I don't think leaving your personal property in a reasonable public space leaves it open for whatever. You should have a reasonable expectation that your personal property will be respected in public places.

 

[qh4dotcom]

If you don't mind the mailman putting flyers in your mailbox then you shouldn't mind a flyer in your windshield.

Who knows, you might like what the flyer says, you might need what is being advertised.

 

[wrestlingwes_8]

If you don't mind the mailman putting flyers in your mailbox then you shouldn't mind a flyer in your windshield.

Who knows, you might like what the flyer says, you might need what is being advertised.

THIS

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

If you are so concerned about your materialist possessions that you would oppose any method that would spread the TRUTH (besides methods that would interfere with someone's personal liberty) then you really need to rethink your positions.

"materialist"

Wtf is your point? Would you like to strip everyone of possessions, stick them in camps, and make them learn the "TRUTH.?"

Here's the truth. I don't really have shit. You can't take much from me besides my dignity. I sure don't need you fucking up my windshield wiper. You'd need to pull it out from under the hood, anyway.

"Plus, "I may have repercussions to deal with" ...what is that?"

That's real world. I'll protect what little I have. You seem to be taking a position that it is somehow yours to do with as you please. Not true. I'm coming from a position of protecting peoples' property, wherever they leave it. That is what I teach my daughter. "Is it yours? No? Then you need to leave it alone where it is. Just because it is not attended does not mean it is yours."

I'm not a baby for suggesting I will protect myself or my property. You, otoh, are making a lot of inaccurate assumptions. If you're drinking tonight, I suggest you get off this thread and decide if you want to continue your line of thought tomorrow.

 

[eleganz]

We're trying to win an election here...people who are most likely to go to these meetings are going to appreciate it and the people who aren't likely won't give a crap either way. When I see a flyer on my car, I might read it and if it pertains to me I'll keep it, if not, I recycle it.

CHILL OUT...WE'RE HERE TO WIN

 

[heavenlyboy34]

And one also takes a risk when touching other peoples' property, wherever it is. Obviously, any car being flyered does not belong to the person doing it. Original poster is signing his name to them, so I have much respect for that. Leaving your property in a public place doesn't make it some sort of free-for-all to grab windshield wipers, stuff papers under hoods, etc. Private property should be respected in public places because it is the property that is privately owned. Being in a public place does not make you subject to personal space or property violations.

Like I said previously in this thread, I'm not absolutist on the issue. I've done it. I'll do it again. (FIJA, not RP)

But I don't think leaving your personal property in a reasonable public space leaves it open for whatever. You should have a reasonable expectation that your personal property will be respected in public places.

If life were fair, you would. You would also have a right to privacy. However, it just ain't so. I doubt any court would take seriously a case against a flyer-pusher. You really don't have a reasonable expectation to very much at all in public spaces. This is the folly of public space.

 

[Carson]

So I have 900+ flyers that I'd like to get out by Sunday. (it advertises a meeting for Ron Paul for our county).

My county has one large shopping area with many big chain stores, lots of small stores, resteraunts, movies, a casino, and more.

The number of cars there would probably allow me to get ALL of my flyers out.

I've heard the suggestion that I contact the meetup group... but I'm about the only one active in my county.

I will listen to other suggestions as well...

The flyer is an information sheet. At the bottom is mention of our Sunday meeting, and a Gmail address I created for our group.

Should I? Or should I do something else?

I'm not to thrilled finding someone has violated my space and put something on my car that then sends me out of my way. Specially when it is on the passenger side.

Another way to get them out to people is to find a store that a lot of women people frequent and hand them out in person. High traffic where you don't hang people up I think would be the key. Not that those interested won't be stopping.

Library? Transit Line?

Still your car thing could be a good thing I suppose. I sure wouldn't start the list of places there.

Good luck with your group thing happening.



I sort of remember a group meet-up thing. I'm not sure how it has been doing. Maybe list it there?

http://www.meetup.com/

I noticed now you mentioned the meetup group thing. It seems pretty easy to search the website for groups near you that might have similar interest.

P.S. The car thing could work gangbusters if you someone printed up some flyers warning people of your evil group about to meet!.. and put them on the opposite passenger side. That is pretty evil though and you might find yourself someday being trapped into being elected for something.