Ok....So what if Obama is found to be ineligible to the potus?

lodge939 said:
There's no mystery. Even conservative blogs have debunked this kooky nonsense.
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No mystery? In which hospital was BHO born? If there's no mystery, it should be easy to answer that question.

Even conservative blogs? Oh my goodness! If 'conservative blogs' say something, then it must be true. Case closed. The conservative blogs have spoken.
 
The thing that bugs me most about this case is that the judge ruling in the Berg case said that Berg has no standing to question BHO's eligibility to run for POTUS. He said that individual US citizens are not harmed by having an ineligible person serve as president, so they cannot bring suit against a candidate even if it is known will 100% certainty that the person is not eligible to serve as president.

This is just another case of institutionalized ignorance of the Constitution. Whether you think BHO was born in the US or not, you should be disturbed by the fact that you as a US citizen have no legal standing to question his eligibility. There is also no formal process for confirming the eligibility of candidates.

That is the greatest tragedy here. It's just another case of ignoring the rules laid-out by the Constitution. And it's disturbing that even questioning his eligibility gets you labeled as a loon, when the labeler himself knows very little about the details of the case and uses a factcheck entry as absolute proof that the case is closed. It's a shame to see such blatant ignoring of the Constitution.

Although I'm glad that the issue can be discussed more openly here, as opposed to some of the other sites I visit.
 
Smiley Gladhands said:
The thing that bugs me most about this case is that the judge ruling in the Berg case said that Berg has no standing to question BHO's eligibility to run for POTUS. He said that individual US citizens are not harmed by having an ineligible person serve as president, so they cannot bring suit against a candidate even if it is known will 100% certainty that the person is not eligible to serve as president.

This is just another case of institutionalized ignorance of the Constitution. Whether you think BHO was born in the US or not, you should be disturbed by the fact that you as a US citizen have no legal standing to question his eligibility. There is also no formal process for confirming the eligibility of candidates.

That is the greatest tragedy here. It's just another case of ignoring the rules laid-out by the Constitution. And it's disturbing that even questioning his eligibility gets you labeled as a loon, when the labeler himself knows very little about the details of the case and uses a factcheck entry as absolute proof that the case is closed. It's a shame to see such blatant ignoring of the Constitution.

Although I'm glad that the issue can be discussed more openly here, as opposed to some of the other sites I visit.
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I dont think its ignorance of the constitution as much as it is complacency and ignorance as to what our naughty gubberment has done.

US Supreme Court:
U.S. v. Rhodes, 27 Fed Cases 785, 794: "The amendment [14th] reversed and annulled the original policy of the constitution"

State v. Manuel, 20 NC 122: "the term `citizen' in the United States, is analogous to the term `subject' in common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government."

That Means: citizens of the United States are the equivalent of feudal subjects, & the Bill of Rights does not apply to you because you cannot defend them under the Common Law!


Long story short; the federal gubberment lost its sovereignty when it went into receivership in 1938 as a result of fdr declaring them bankrupt in 1933. Like any other corporation the powers then default to those who have interest in it. Ironically that is precisely the exact same time that the gubberment offered the people of the US the opportunity to join social security which gave the federal gubberment the authority to review everyones finances so they could assess their benefits and how much they had to pay in! This made it "voluntary" and very legal!

The constitution is a Common Law Declaration that declares the people above the subservient government and enumerates very limited authority to our government. A government is only valid if by consent of the governed.

That Common Law Declaration has been circumvented when they put our country into receivership. (as if the people of the states did not have enough property and money to pull the feds out of receivership, we were never asked or given the opportunity of redemption)

It was also the beginning of the institution of the present fiat at interest money monopoly of the federal reserve corporation!

Go visit, as in anywhere in the US and tell an attorney you want a common law hearing on some matter and a dumbfounded look will come over his face....duhwha?

So the feds and the states followed, have replaced our common law based form of government with a merchant form of government and they wrote what is called the UCC and went through pains to try and make it align itself to the common law, hence our judicial now follows the rules and procedures of international admiralty law. That is the law of the sea, maritime law as a result of our bankruptcy. Of course one small problem is that in admiralty law rights are reduced in law to privileges. Privileges are given by one man to another, Rights are inalienable and are given by God and are nonconvertible man. Hence the Articles of Conferderation, Constitution, and Declaration of Independence. The 3 greatest Masterpeices in Law ever created!

So Admiralty law doesnt sound to threatening but the problem of course as you can see above, is that it converted our rights into privileges, hence the reason these assholes in gubberment can give themselves immunity and literally do whatever they want and call it "legal". However its not "Lawful". AND THE COURTS KNOW THIS!

Long sordid sad story folks but there it is. Try using a court case pre-1933 in a court room and see how far it get you!

That is why the constitution is said to be only a piece of paper, or like obmama and the socialists all call it a "social contract", anything to demean it as meaningless and promote the ongoing changes in gubberment and law.

The constitution is not a piece of paper. It is a Declaration in Law, in the Common Law, the conclusions in Law of the second official court of the "States united", in which this country was founded upon. (articles of confederation being the first)

Now if you all give that a moments thought and line what I said up with the course this country has gone on and continues to go it should become painfully obvious that our government has been usurped a long time ago and the puppet part of the gubberment is actually the result of going into receivership.

Using admiralty law now gave the gubberment authority to impose on you as a matter of "presumtion". It is presumed that you owe and must pay federal income tax.

That is why if you look at our history, any time the value of our money went up to a dollar we had a war, which in turn put us back in debt, which in turn insured we stay in receivership, which in turn insures we remain a puppet government.

Through Admiralty law they have all but completely wiped out the "Sovereign" Man of the Land in this country and they use the corporations to enforce it! "I am sorry sir but we must have your social security number if you want to work for us"!!!!!

Only Sovereign people can create a Sovereign State, government or nation!

Slaves do not rule Sovereigns, slaves, (which according to Common Law you all are, [14th amendment], cannot create Law, slaves cannot create that which is higher than themselves. Only a Sovereign can create Law by the consent of other Sovereigns, or to the slaves below. Slavery today is in the form of bond slavery btw. No we are not in chains and beaten.

The creator is above the created! We created the government not the other way around. Hence as the creators we have Lawful Rights over the government, they have the privileges yet they have immunity from us????

911 is another turning point in law, where the emphasis is now being pulled away from admiralty law to positive law, or coercive law.

Some of you will see where this is going, but most of you will be in shock and awe and go into instant denial. The socialists and cointel will launch an all out attack on me for outting them and the name calling will commence! So come and git some!
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So anyway there you have it. Next time you say or hear it said, "why did the gubberment do something so stoopid", how can they have immunity, etc etc etc, well remember what I said above, thats why. Its not stoopid at all its simply not in your venue its in theirs.

Not only taxation with little to no representation, but also judicial with little to no representation. Surrick, the federal court ruled that Berg had no standing to sue obama and the DNC et al claiming:

"…regardless of questions of causation, the grievance remains too generalized to establish the existence of an injury in fact. To reiterate: a candidate’s ineligibility under the Natural Born Citizen Clause does not result in an injury in fact to voters. By extension, the theoretical constitutional harm experienced by voters does not change as the candidacy of an allegedly ineligible candidate progresses from the primaries to the general election."

See what I mean? No standing? Have to go to congress for redress of grievances in constitutional issues? They will send you back to the courts!

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Anti Federalist said:
Birth certificate aside, it seems clear to me that BO's mother did not satisfy recency status for the time required after the age of 16 for natural born citizen status to be applied to any of her children born before she turned 19.

Of course, she was 18 when BO was born.

That being said, I'd be flabbergasted if anything came of this.

BO is the perfect NWO puppet, and let's face it, when was the last time the government paid any mind to the constitution in any meaningful way?
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Thats another problem, and along with that his grandma claims she was present at his birth in kenya!

McCain is equally an NWO puppet as a result of his activities in nam which I understand are now sealed to the public as well.

Can we really say government OF the people?
 
A no win situation. If he is found ineligible and prevented from taking office there would be massive rioting here. Allow him in and the Hell with the Constitution. Some conspiracy theorists believe this may have been planned to create rioting and civil unrest so we will lose more of our freedoms as Martial Law or similar action may be deemed necessary.
 
Man from La Mancha said:
I don't think Ron ever dropped out he just quite actively campaigning

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that must be an aside to my post. i was stating it is irrelevant if the person is running or not... or even if they are alive or real....
elector's choice.
Now, since these electors are die hard obama supporters for the most part, that tells you where their thinking is... and it isn't more freedom.
 
torchbearer said:
that must be an aside to my post. i was stating it is irrelevant if the person is running or not... or even if they are alive or real....
elector's choice.
Now, since these electors are die hard obama supporters for the most part, that tells you where their thinking is... and it isn't more freedom.
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Agreed, they are just a bunch of memorized sheeple that vote for a hollow American Idol. Though you never know some might start waking up.

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I honestly wish some of the people that are posting on this forum wouldn't associate themselves with Ron Paul...
You make the whole movement look like crazies...

I bet 1/2 of you are the same nuts that said John McCain Couldn't qualify...

Obama won, just get on with it and stop crying about it god.
 
Ralph Nader did came in third place. I am sure Dr. No would not mine having him as President..
 
MadEmperor said:
I honestly wish some of the people that are posting on this forum wouldn't associate themselves with Ron Paul...
You make the whole movement look like crazies...

I bet 1/2 of you are the same nuts that said John McCain Couldn't qualify...

Obama won, just get on with it and stop crying about it god.
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If McCain was eligible from the get-go then why did Clinton and Obama sponsor a bill to bend the rules a bit to allow him to run? Eh?

My take on it? .. you're partly right. We should just get on with this and accept the fact that he won and that even if he admits he's not a natural born US citizen and not eligible to be POTUS his supporters, Congress, etc will change the rules to make him eligible. Let the Palin supporters pitch a tantrum and wave signs in the streets and throw snowballs for a change.
 
If for any reason Obama can't become President prior to Jan 20, the selection process varies depending on the date.

In no instance, however, will a Republican be selected, That includes Ron Paul for those getting themselves all worked up about another nutty "Ron Paul is going to be President" fantasy.

The 2008 election is over, folks. Obama won, McCain lost, and Ron Paul was out of the running a long time ago. Time to start thinking about 2012.
 
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