OH - Haitian migrants eating cats?

[jmdrake]

There's no evidence to support that claim, you're just a racist who hates white people

Or maybe I secretly lust after white women in bikinis who know how to cook a good cat.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Your obsession with negative stories about black people have nothing to do with "ratios" and everything to do with the other R word.

I've made it very clear that my primary objective at this point in my life is to advance that which helps White people and oppose that which harms them.

I did not start this war, I did not kill the concept of the "proposition nation", but I am damn sure going to engage and resist.

If that defines "racism", then so be it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Or maybe I secretly lust after white women in bikinis who know how to cook a good cat.

Oh, btw, those blondies were Swedes not Swiss...at least based on the flags on their bikinis.

 

[Anti Federalist]

In lily white Switzerland they most certainly are.

Not Just for Christmas: Swiss Urged to Stop Eating Cats and Dogs - Newsweek

Hundreds of thousands of people in Switzerland eat cat and dog meat, say activists - even for Christmas dinner

www.newsweek.com

And if a bunch of lily White Swiss were dropped into your town, paid for with your tax money and then given generous handouts with your tax money and then started agitating that you change your lifestyle, beliefs, customs and traditions to accommodate them, and then, on top of all that, they started eating your pets, wouldn't you be pissed and want them gone?

 

[jmdrake]

And if a bunch of lily White Swiss were dropped into your town, paid for with your tax money and then given generous handouts with your tax money and then started agitating that you change your lifestyle, beliefs, customs and traditions to accommodate them, and then, on top of all that, they started eating your pets, wouldn't you be pissed and want them gone?

Well that's not what happened in Springfield Ohio. All of the evidence now is that the Hatians were not "dropped" into Springfield, but invited there by factories that wanted to re-open but couldn't because much of the white labor market there was strung out on opioids. But Trump is trying to bring a bunch of lily white Afrikaaners into the U.S. right now. 67,000 to be exact. As long as they leave their Borebel dogs at home (they weight up to 180 lbs, were bred to fight lions, can be dangerous if not trained right and thier poop really stinks) I'm like "meh." But maybe the Swiss will eat the Afrikanner's dogs?

 

[jmdrake]

Oh, btw, those blondies were Swedes not Swiss...at least based on the flags on their bikinis.

You know....you're right. I always get those two mixed up. It's like mixing up Japanese, Chinese and Korean.

 

[jmdrake]

I've made it very clear that my primary objective at this point in my life is to advance that which helps White people and oppose that which harms them.

I did not start this war, I did not kill the concept of the "proposition nation", but I am damn sure going to engage and resist.

If that defines "racism", then so be it.

The "propositional nation" idea came from Abraham Lincoln. If it was killed, it was killed on April 4, 1968. Unless you were in Memphis on that day with a high powered rifle then it wasn't your fault. Anyway, I don't think white people are "advanced" by telling lies and/or exaggerations about other groups. This thread was started with a complete and total lie. Bumping it serves no real purpose honestly.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The "propositional nation" idea came from Abraham Lincoln. If it was killed, it was killed on April 4, 1968. Unless you were in Memphis on that day with a high powered rifle then it wasn't your fault. Anyway, I don't think white people are "advanced" by telling lies and/or exaggerations about other groups. This thread was started with a complete and total lie. Bumping it serves no real purpose honestly.

I disagree.

This is the proposition:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

 

[Anti Federalist]

You know....you're right. I always get those two mixed up. It's like mixing up Japanese, Chinese and Korean.

This still makes me chuckle.

 

[nikcers]

I disagree.

This is the proposition:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

That is not the entire idea in which our country is built on.

The idea is that all men are equal and we have a rule of law.

So its

Declaration of independence (all men are equal) + constitution (Rule of law) = USA.

The declaration of independence is the "founding monarch" that nations are derived from and it's where our constitution gets its authority.

Other countries are usually founded by a monarch and we don't have monarchy and we don't have anarchy.

Our constitution states "We the People of the United States."

Thats the American people. Thats who enforces the law of the land the constitution.

Our chief law enforcer the person we hire to do it must therefore be a natural born American citizen.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 states that only natural-born citizens are eligible to be president.

 

[Anti Federalist]

That is not the entire idea in which our country is built on.

The idea is that all men are equal and we have a rule of law.

So its

Declaration of independence (all men are equal) + constitution (Rule of law) = USA.

The declaration of independence is the "founding monarch" that nations are derived from and it's where our constitution gets its authority.

Other countries are usually founded by a monarch and we don't have monarchy and we don't have anarchy.

Our constitution states "We the People of the United States."

Thats the American people. Thats who enforces the law of the land the constitution.

Our chief law enforcer the person we hire to do it must therefore be a natural born American citizen.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 states that only natural-born citizens are eligible to be president.

True enough.

But the bottom line is that the proposition that both those documents outline has been smashed and broken.

 

[jmdrake]

I disagree.

This is the proposition:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Right. Notice the word "proposition" isn't in there. Here's how the DOI got recognized as "propositional."

Abraham Lincoln:

"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."

When the "Declaration" was made, a significant number of signers didn't truly believe that all men were created equal or endowed by their Creator with the "unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It took the Civil War to begin that journey. Note that the Gettysburg Address was written less than a year after Lincoln signed the emancipation proclamation making the end of slavery a condition of the war. Back in 1858 Lincoln had already addressed slavery when he said:

"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

I believe this government cannot endure, permanently half slave and half free.

I do not expect the Union to be dissolved -- I do not expect the house to fall -- but I do expect it will cease to be divided.

It will become all one thing or all the other.

Either the opponents of slavery, will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new -- North as well as South."

 

[jmdrake]

That is not the entire idea in which our country is built on.

The idea is that all men are equal and we have a rule of law.

So its

Declaration of independence (all men are equal) + constitution (Rule of law) = USA.

The declaration of independence is the "founding monarch" that nations are derived from and it's where our constitution gets its authority.

Other countries are usually founded by a monarch and we don't have monarchy and we don't have anarchy.

Our constitution states "We the People of the United States."

Thats the American people. Thats who enforces the law of the land the constitution.

Our chief law enforcer the person we hire to do it must therefore be a natural born American citizen.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 states that only natural-born citizens are eligible to be president.

Except the "rule of law" did not actually apply equally to all men. It took the 13th and 14th amedments to do that. Thus the proposition "that all men are created equal" was just empty words at the founding of the nation. Lincoln pushed the idea that actual equality under the law was the aspirational founding of America even though it was not implemented.

 

[nikcers]

Except the "rule of law" did not actually apply equally to all men. It took the 13th and 14th amedments to do that. Thus the proposition "that all men are created equal" was just empty words at the founding of the nation. Lincoln pushed the idea that actual equality under the law was the aspirational founding of America even though it was not implemented.

All men are equal was just the idea that anybody can create a country for the most part not just kings.

We didn't need to have a king come over to our territory who received a magic sword from a lady in the lake and pulled it from a stone to start a country.

The law just adopted the principle that all men are equal later on through constitutional amendments.

 

[jmdrake]

All men are equal was just the idea that anybody can create a country for the most part not just kings.

We didn't need to have a king come over to our territory who received a magic sword from a lady in the lake and pulled it from a stone to start a country.

The law just adopted the principle that all men are equal later on through constitutional amendments.

Quibble all you want. But you're not refuting anything I said. In fact you're disproving @AntiFederalist's idea that the proposition Lincoln was referring to existed before him.

 

[nikcers]

Quibble all you want. But you're not refuting anything I said. In fact you're disproving @AntiFederalist's idea that the proposition Lincoln was referring to existed before him.

The independent United States existed before Lincoln.

Even British America existed prior to Lincoln.

Some of the slaves from British America even went on to create a new country in Africa called Liberia.

That was of course our 1st revolutionary war.

Our second revolutionary war was with Abraham Lincoln.

Our first civil war was when we founded the independent United States with George Washington and the second Civil War was with Abraham Lincoln.

It was during that war that we freed all the slaves and made them citizens with the 14th amendment.

Thats why those two figures were put on America's stone henge.

Then you have Theodore Roosevelt who made us more of a modern democracy and lead the modern democracy movement that spread throughout the globe.

250 years really isn't a long time to make it here. That's only 3 Ron Pauls ago.

 

[jmdrake]

The independent United States existed before Lincoln.

Even British America existed prior to Lincoln.

Some of the slaves from British America even went on to create a new country in Africa called Liberia.

That was of course our 1st revolutionary war.

Our second revolutionary war was with Abraham Lincoln.

Our first civil war was when we founded the independent United States with George Washington and the second Civil War was with Abraham Lincoln.

It was during that war that we freed all the slaves and made them citizens with the 14th amendment.

Thats why those two figures were put on America's stone henge.

Then you have Theodore Roosevelt who made us more of a modern democracy and lead the modern democracy movement that spread throughout the globe.

250 years really isn't a long time to make it here. That's only 3 Ron Pauls ago.

All of your "points" are 100% irrelevant straw men to what is actually being discussed. And somehow I'm not surprised. AntiFederalist specifically talked about the "propositional nation" concept. Lincoln was the first to use that term.

 

[acptulsa]

All of your "points" are 100% irrelevant straw men to what is actually being discussed.

Yeah, funny that the Cliché-O-Matic seems to be programmed to stay off the subject. Suppose that's it? Or is it just incapable of conversation?