OH - Haitian migrants eating cats?

[jmdrake]

Sorry, not falling for that, the original Americans also conquered the people before them.
The fact that they lost the battle to keep control doesn't obligate us to surrender to the next wave of would be conquerors, especially since our surrender is their only hope for victory.
My ancestors won their inning in the game of life and I intend to win mine, the current invaders are a pack of losers who expect participation trophy.

I wasn't even talking your racist butt.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I wasn't even talking your racist butt.

I don't care who you were talking to (which I knew), you are spreading leftist globalist propaganda.

The idea that because our ancestors conquered others we must surrender to inferior barbarians who wish to steal and destroy everything our ancestors gave us is insane.

 

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbWGeC5Zfc0​

 

[jmdrake]

I don't care who you were talking to (which I knew), you are spreading leftist globalist propaganda.

The idea that because our ancestors conquered others we must surrender to inferior barbarians who wish to steal and destroy everything our ancestors gave us is insane.

The idea that people should be treated as individuals and that the rest of us should follow the actual evidence wherever it leads is not "globalist proganda." That's a lie that you use to cover up the inadequacy of your argument. You've been forced to admit that the information from the New American that you posted was provably false. If it had turned out to be true I would have anknowledged it. If any of the "evidence" put forward in this thread had actually been verified I would have acknowledged it. There are plenty of reasons to be concerned about the current state of immigration in this country without having to resort to outright lies.

 

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag5BWMR2LRU

 

[Swordsmyth]

The idea that people should be treated as individuals and that the rest of us should follow the actual evidence wherever it leads is not "globalist proganda." That's a lie that you use to cover up the inadequacy of your argument. You've been forced to admit that the information from the New American that you posted was provably false. If it had turned out to be true I would have anknowledged it. If any of the "evidence" put forward in this thread had actually been verified I would have acknowledged it. There are plenty of reasons to be concerned about the current state of immigration in this country without having to resort to outright lies.

Immigration can't be handled on an individual basis, unless we allow almost zero immigration, I'd agree to handle it on a case by case basis in that circumstance.
But that's not what I said was globalist propaganda, I said the "then go back to Europe" retort to objections about being invaded and conquered through immigration is globalist propaganda and it is.

 

[Swordsmyth]

 

[jmdrake]

Immigration can't be handled on an individual basis, unless we allow almost zero immigration, I'd agree to handle it on a case by case basis in that circumstance.
But that's not what I said was globalist propaganda, I said the "then go back to Europe" retort to objections about being invaded and conquered through immigration is globalist propaganda and it is.

Of course it can be handled on an invidual basis and it is handled on an individual basis all of the time. But even on a group basis, the fact that people are more concerned about unconfirmed reports about cats than actual real problems (gangs taking over apartments for example) speaks volumes.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Of course it can be handled on an invidual basis and it is handled on an individual basis all of the time. But even on a group basis, the fact that people are more concerned about unconfirmed reports about cats than actual real problems (gangs taking over apartments for example) speaks volumes.

It is not handled on an individual basis, people are let in with minimal requirements under a quota type system.
We let in X number of group Y and unless we catch a terrorist or criminal applying it's first come first served with few questions asked.
Nobody is more concerned about the cats and dogs (which is confirmed and a real problem), many people were entirely ignorant of the whole problem but the cats and dogs issue got their attention and then they could be shown the much bigger parts of the problem.

 

[jmdrake]

It is not handled on an individual basis, people are let in with minimal requirements under a quota type system.
We let in X number of group Y and unless we catch a terrorist or criminal applying it's first come first served with few questions asked.
Nobody is more concerned about the cats and dogs (which is confirmed and a real problem), many people were entirely ignorant of the whole problem but the cats and dogs issue got their attention and then they could be shown the much bigger parts of the problem.

Confirmed by fake court documents cited by the New American? Yeah right! Whatever dude. And you just destroyed your own argument. "Few questions asked." Well...that's handling it on an indivual basis by definition. Should there be more questions? Maybe.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Confirmed by fake court documents cited by the New American? Yeah right! Whatever dude. And you just destroyed your own argument. "Few questions asked." Well...that's handling it on an indivual basis by definition. Should there be more questions? Maybe.

It is impossible to ask more questions and verify the answers on any great scale.
Many of the questions that need to be asked may be impossible to ask and verify, that's why we have to play the odds based on the trends in the groups we allow people in from.
We can't read minds and we don't have a panopticon surveilling the world and keeping meticulous records of every individual.
Immigration is a group issue and must either be nearly nonexistent or dealt with on a group basis.

 

[PAF]

We can't read minds and we don't have a panopticon surveilling the world and keeping meticulous records of every individual.
Immigration is a group issue and must either be nearly nonexistent or dealt with on a group basis.

That's statement is quite telling. Shutting off the spigot isn't a practical solution but a panopticon surveilling the world and keeping meticulous records of every individual is.

You don't have to respond or explain, that is what has been and is being rolled out as we speak in your authoritarian state dream come true.

 

[jmdrake]

That's statement is quite telling. Shutting off the spigot isn't a practical solution but a panopticon surveilling the world and keeping meticulous records of every individual is.

You don't have to respond or explain, that is what has been and is being rolled out as we speak in your authoritarian state dream come true.

 

[Swordsmyth]

That's statement is quite telling. Shutting off the spigot isn't a practical solution but a panopticon surveilling the world and keeping meticulous records of every individual is.

You don't have to respond or explain, that is what has been and is being rolled out as we speak in your authoritarian state dream come true.

I never said it was desirable or possible to have such a thing, the point is that we shouldn't and simply can't.
Vetting immigration on an individual by individual basis is simply impossible and we wouldn't want to do what would be necessary if it was possible.

You are the one supporting the roll out of the authoritarian global panopticon through the immivasion dragging us down to the lowest common denominator in a homogenized world.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Yeah, your head.
You are the one calling for us to handle massive amounts of immigration on an individual by individual basis, the global surveillance panopticon is what would be required to do it your way instead of treating immigration as the group issue it is or nearly eliminating it.

 

[PAF]

Yeah, your head.
You are the one calling for us to handle massive amounts of immigration on an individual by individual basis, the global surveillance panopticon is what would be required to do it your way instead of treating immigration as the group issue it is or nearly eliminating it.

Yes, in accordance to the Bill of Rights.

Shutting off the spigot is the solution, and abides by the Bill of Rights, which you seem to hate.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Yes, in accordance to the Bill of Rights.

Shutting off the spigot is the solution, and abides by the Bill of Rights, which you seem to hate.

There is no BoR right to immigrate, just as there is none for an American to emmigrate to a Nation that doesn't want him.
The BoR covers the rights we have in our home country.

You are the one who hates the BoR and seeks to destroy it through the inundation of the country with those who are hostile to it.

 

[PAF]

There is no BoR right to immigrate, just as there is none for an American to emmigrate to a Nation that doesn't want him.
The BoR covers the rights we have in our home country.

You are the one who hates the BoR and seeks to destroy it through the inundation of the country with those who are hostile to it.

Read the 4th, for example. And the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th, while you are at it.

Your "panopticon surveilling the world and keeping meticulous records of every individual" violates each and of one of them.

 

[jmdrake]

Yeah, your head.
You are the one calling for us to handle massive amounts of immigration on an individual by individual basis, the global surveillance panopticon is what would be required to do it your way instead of treating immigration as the group issue it is or nearly eliminating it.

It's already handled on an indivudal basis! And TBH this thread proves it. Despite your continued dishonest claims, none of the rumours about Haitian immigrants eating cats or dogs or geese or whatever have been confirmed. And while nobody doubts that Haiti has systemic problems of crime and poverty and we see the gangs roaming the streets and apparent canabalism in Haiti, that hasn't happened as a result of Haitians coming to the U.S. Clearly the vetting system worked. Contrast that to the Venezuelan gangs taking over apparent buildings. Because of the Trump / Biden policy of regime change in Venezuela there is no vetting of Venezuelan migrants.

See: https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-wor...rrest-alejandro-mayorkas-biden-administration

Why do you think Trump wants to change the subject to Haitians supposedly eating cats and dogs? The Venezuealan migrant crisis both in terms of numbers and in terms of the lack of vetting is partly his fault! We should quit trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government, restore diplomatic relations, start getting criminal background checks on the Venezuelan migrants already here and prioritize those that fail for deporatation.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Read the 4th, for example. And the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th, while you are at it.

Your "panopticon surveilling the world and keeping meticulous records of every individual" violates each and of one of them.

You are just like the DNC pretending I support things I oppose.