**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

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misterx said:
Jmdrake,
I'm not covicting Trayvon, I'm just saying he could have been up to no good. People are saying he wasnt doing anything wrong that night like it's a fact. The truth is, we don't know. We do know that he was not the choir boy that the media portrays him to be.

I was not equating Gz to people who fought at Normandy, and you know it. I was just giving an example of how bravery is stupid. Anything that decreases your chance at self- preservation is stupid. Obviously there are different levels of bravery and stupidity.

It all depends on what really happened whether or not I would want Gz watching my neighborhood. If his striper is accurate then I don't blame his methods(considering the high crime in the area), I blame Trayvon's violent attitude for precipitatong the accident. Whatever story you believe I would not have reacted like either one of them personally, but if you believe GZ he was more reasonable than Trayvon.
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I will only respond to one point. Doing something that reduces your chance of personal survival is not in itself stupid. If it is then there are a lot of stupid animals in nature that will sacrifice themselves for the sake of their young. Storming the beeches of Normandy (and yes you did make that comparison of GZ) was not stupid because the men who did it believed they were really doing it to protect their children from death or worse at the hands of the Nazis. (The "Hilter almost managed to cross the English channel and invade England so he must be able to invade the U.S." logic). My point is that GZ's actions didn't even make sense from the standpoint of protecting anyone else, let alone self preservation. There are simply better ways to patrol and protect neighborhoods. And GZ had no reason to believe that without his intervention someone's life would have been in danger. If he thought Trayvon was raping someone or had someone held up at gun or knife point then I might consider the "bravery" argument.
 
jmdrake said:
There are simply better ways to patrol and protect neighborhoods. And GZ had no reason to believe that without his intervention someone's life would have been in danger. If he thought Trayvon was raping someone or had someone held up at gun or knife point then I might consider the "bravery" argument.
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Why aren't you allowed to follow somebody who you think might rob one of your neighbors?
 
Anti Federalist said:
The one thing I’d add is that I was taken aback by Corey’s statement at the press conference that the first thing she did after she was appointed to the case was pray with Trayvon Martin’s family. I find the idea of a prosecutor praying with a victim’s family off-putting in general. But it’s particularly troubling in this case.
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I believe that she also said something to the effect that she prayed for the "prosecution team" or asked for prayers for the prosecution team. Seemed a bit inappropriate.
 
Zimmerman Bombshells: Mayor And Pictures
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From the bond hearing:

George Zimmerman was allegedly recognized by the Mayor for his intervention in the events surrounding the homeless (black) man that was beaten by a Sanford police officer's relative.

There has been a near-complete media blackout in this regard -- and questions about whether the letter published somewhat-recently was authentic.

Well, it appears (from testimony of his mother this morning) that the Sanford Mayor personally recognized George Zimmerman for his efforts to obtain justice for that homeless man.

And where is the media who tried to turn this into a racial issue?

Just as importantly, where is the Mayor of Sanford who gave that commendation and thus knew damn well what the history of this man was when it came to his views on race?

Further there was testimony introduced this morning that George Zimmerman has been actively mentoring black kids in Orlando despite being urged not to by his mother as a consequence of the area of the city in question where he traveled to being a known high-crime area and thus dangerous to his person.

It is becoming increasingly clear that the media intentionally attempted to present a false picture of both the incident itself and George Zimmerman personally with regard to any racial issues surrounding this event.

Oh, and the claims that Zimmerman wasn't injured? Here's a picture taken three minutes after EMS arrived:
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Finally the witness said that there were visible powder burns on Martin's clothing (one of the questions I had originally as their presence would be expected given Zimmerman's narrative of what happened.)

If this all holds up it's pretty clear that the legal standard of objectively reasonable fear of great bodily injury or death was met for Zimmerman, and if so the shooting was justified -- period.

Note that there is no resort to "stand your ground" necessary to reach that conclusion.

Prediction: This case is going to go nowhere and, in my opinion, Zimmerman has an excellent lawsuit against the media outlets for libel and/or slander and perhaps even against the special prosecutor for knowingly false and malicious prosecution.
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Funny how over at PuffHo, there's not a word about Zimmerman mentoring black kids, and seeking justice for a homeless black man who was beaten by a FLA cop's son. Reporting that would screw up the narrative, I guess.
 
dannno said:
Why aren't you allowed to follow somebody who you think might rob one of your neighbors?
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Where did say you couldn't? :confused: There is a difference between what you have a "right" to do and what is the "right" thing to do. I don't know how many times I have to point this out. Even if GZ had been a cop, it still wouldn't have been smart for him to act without backup. GZ needlessly created a dangerous situation for himself, TM and other innocent people in the neighborhood. He was already following TM while he was in his car. I know there's supposedly no such thing as a stupid question, but there is such a thing as a question that has already been sufficiently answered.
 
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jmdrake said:
Where did say you couldn't? :confused: There is a difference between what you have a "right" to do and what is the "right" thing to do. I don't know how many times I have to point this out. Even if GZ had been a cop, it still wouldn't have been smart for him to act without backup. GZ needlessly created a dangerous situation for himself, TM and other innocent people in the neighborhood. He was already following TM while he was in his car. I know there's supposedly no such thing as a stupid question, but there is such a thing as a question that has already been sufficiently answered.
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+rep. Zimmerman's first mistake was playing wannabe cop. So stupid.
 
Lucille said:
Funny how over at PuffHo, there's not a word about Zimmerman mentoring black kids, and seeking justice for a homeless black man who was beaten by a FLA cop's son. Reporting that would screw up the narrative, I guess.
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Of course. This media lynching is turning out to be the biggest story. How many exaggerations and lies were reported by the mainstream media to inflame the masses?

1. Zimmerman was white. - Lie
2. Trayvon was a child. - Exaggeration (backed up by using old pictures).
3. Zimmerman was a racist. - Lie or exaggeration.
4. Zimmerman said "He's black" as if it was a derogatory exclamation - Lie. He answered a question from a dispatcher.
5. Zimmerman said "F*cking Coons" on tape. - Further resolution of the audio reveals that he said "it's f*cking cold". Exaggeration and lie.
6. Zimmerman had no injuries, based on a purposely low-resolution video. - Lie.
7. Trayvon was screaming for help. - Eye witness now says that it was Zimmerman. - Lie or at best, unsubstantiated rumor.


None of this effects the facts of the case, that a guy was killed, and that it needed to be fully investigated and most likely charged (with an appropriate charge).

This is about the media.
 
For those wondering why he was arrested: Are you serious? Shooting unarmed people is bad when the police do it but if I do it I'm in the clear no matter what? I also don't believe that you should be allowed to shoot someone because they are going to steal from your neighbors. It's not your stuff and no object is worth a human life whether it is yours or another persons. If a person breaks into your home or comes on your property trying to harm you then by all means defend yourself but don't follow people around your neighborhood looking for trouble.
 
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