**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

[AFPVet]

You don't need evidence to charge somebody.

Nope... just a probable cause affidavit. Or, in the case of infractions, good faith belief.

 

[angelatc]

Yes, but enough circumstantial evidence is needed to prove something "beyond reasonable doubt". Nothing I've read in this thread is even close to that.

You don't need to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" to a Grand Jury. You only need to prove that there is a chance that a crime happened

ETA: The issue here is that DA's get judged on their conviction rates. So they simply won't take a case to a Grand Jury if they even think they might lose in a criminal trial.

 

[TheeJoeGlass]

I wasn't aware we could freely shoot people because they run from a NON COP. Good to know, I'll keep that in mind next time I see someone take off from me because I'm being an over-zealous busy body(as is clearly documented in Zimmerman's phone call-funny how you only mention the part where Zimmerman asked him a question, and not Zimmerman's attitude on the phone call)...


And in the end-Zimmerman was wrong, wasn't he? The kid was walking to the store to get a soda or whatever-not rob houses.

How do you know that? We are now finding out that this kid was in a gang and has a history of violence and you don't think he was capable of violence towards Zimmerman? If the police have an eye witness to dispute his claim, then Zimmerman would be in jail. They don't, the witnesses they have helped convince them that Martin was a perp and Zimmerman acted in self defense. Case closed unless you get the president to way in and hopefully make this a federal hate crime, which explains the media attention. It's all they have left at this point and it will be devasting to the local community if Zimmerman is not charged and I blame it all on Anderson Cooper.

 

[AuH20]

Jesse Jackson: Blacks are under attack in America. (cue the violin)

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...n-case-jesse-jackson-20120323,0,2131299.story

He added: Blacks are under attack." African American families are facing record home foreclosures and unemployment. Their children are burdened with student loan debt. States, particularly conservative ones, are passing voter laws that leaders know will disenfranchise blacks and other minorities. Meanwhile, the nation's prisons are brimming with black faces, he said, and their numbers that suggest that the legal system is quicker to send blacks to prison than whites.

Jackson said gunfire in America continues to be a problem for all Americans -- not just blacks. Why, he asked, isn't America outraged, that far more people die of gun violence in one year in America than the number of soldiers killed in the wars waged in Iraq and Afghanistan?

 

[specsaregood]

It's America. Homosexual rapists / murderers get lots of attention. John Wayne Gacy and Wayne Williams come to mind. They serve to remind all of us that we all need to be very afraid of each other.

don't forget dahmer. i even already included a picture of him in this thread. a nice photo of him and his dog, showing what a nice young man he was.

 

[MelissaWV]

What gang was he in now? Or is that an extension of his photos?

 

[azxd]

And even if he could, homosexual rapist / murderers are never cruising around in cars in gated communities. And they never pick black kids, either.

If we all possessed the crystal ball you seem to have, the World would be a better place, because we would all know that NEVER is what happens when you use a snow globe..

 

[azxd]

You know a lot about homosexual rapists...

Sad huh !!

 

[hazek]

Actually, from the facts presented thus far, it is absolutely a textbook case of self defense. In what crazy world is going outside to ask a suspicious lurker who he is and what he's doing constitute "instigating an altercation"? This is a free country. You, I, or George Zimmerman have every right to follow a stranger in public, and when we catch up to them and get their attention, ask them any question we so desire. And likewise, the person we are talking to has every right to tell us to "fuck off", and walk away. What they don't have the right to do is physically assault us. And that is what Trayvon Martin is accused of doing, and why according to the SYG law this was a justifiable homicide.

This is exactly how I got attacked when I was a young kid. One early Saturday morning I was walking towards a meeting spot with my teacher because we were going somewhere where I would take part in a competition and some guy was walking in my direction on the other side of the road. I thought he looked like someone I know so I said "hey Gowshnek(last name of the guy I thought he looked like)" and he immediately exploded across the street screaming "what did you call me" grabbed my head and started beating me.

Now if I was older and had a gun and he got me down on the ground and I felt I couldn't defend myself but to pull and shoot my gun, how is that not a clear case of self defense? Likewise if Zimmerman merely approached him to ask a question and the guy exploded into his face and attacked him, got him down on the ground bloodied his noose and back of the head how is this not a clear case of self defense?

The only way it wouldn't be clear if he attacked first, if he could be heard on the phone ordering Martin to freeze and tried to restrain him somehow. Now I don't know if he did that or not but hearing the aggressive history of Martin I suspect he merely tried to ask a question and the guy exploded and got what was coming to him.

 

[angelatc]

How do you know that? We are now finding out that this kid was in a gang and has a history of violence and you don't think he was capable of violence towards Zimmerman?

Unless Zimmerman knew the Martin's alleged history, none of that matters. Martin ran away from a guy who was stalking him. Zimmerman tracked him down, and killed him.

 

[moo]

Jesse Jackson: Blacks are under attack in America. (cue the violin)

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...n-case-jesse-jackson-20120323,0,2131299.story

you don't like it when civil rights leaders bring awareness to the injustice the black community is facing?

 

[eduardo89]

You don't need to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" to a Grand Jury. You only need to prove that there is a chance that a crime happened.

When did I say that? I was agreeing with you that most cases are won by circumstantial evidence, but I'm just saying that you need enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. This case doesn't seem to have that.

 

[MelissaWV]

Hey Anti-Fed...

President Obama: On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it's important for him to give me space.

President Medvedev: Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…

President Obama: This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.

President Medvedev: I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.

 

[TheeJoeGlass]

You do neighborhood watch? That's scarier than not having Neighborhood Watch.

You have a right to talk to people. They do not have any responsibility or obligation to engage with you. They have a right to run away from you. You do not have the right to hunt them down because they did.

Why is that scary? Do you know me? Yes, you have the right to hunt them down, especially if they run from you!!!! Why the hell would they run from a non threatening person who ask them a question?

 

[azxd]

How do you know that? We are now finding out that this kid was in a gang and has a history of violence and you don't think he was capable of violence towards Zimmerman? If the police have an eye witness to dispute his claim, then Zimmerman would be in jail. They don't, the witnesses they have helped convince them that Martin was a perp and Zimmerman acted in self defense. Case closed unless you get the president to way in and hopefully make this a federal hate crime, which explains the media attention. It's all they have left at this point and it will be devasting to the local community if Zimmerman is not charged and I blame it all on Anderson Cooper.

He just might do exactly that or have one of his cronies do it ... Another great excuse to distort and remove a bit of that Second Amendment

 

[AuH20]

you don't like it when civil rights leaders bring awareness to the injustice the black community is facing?

The black community hitched it's proverbial wagon to the purveyors of their own destruction many years ago. Jesse is trying to cast the blame on guns and others when his very kind sold out to the power structure for a pittance. The government is in the process of an implosion and the blacks who are most dependent on it's dominance are the ones being adversely affected by it's slide.

 

[moo]

Why is that scary? Do you know me? Yes, you have the right to hunt them down, especially if they run from you!!!! Why the hell would they run from a non threatening person who ask them a question?

because thats what all mothers teach their child to do when they're being followed by a stranger. instinct told trayvon to call 911, tell his girlfriend he's being followed and run.

 

[angelatc]

How do you know that? ... If the police have an eye witness to dispute his claim, then Zimmerman would be in jail.

How do you know that? If Martin was indeed the thug-life gang-banger you're making him out to be, how do you know that the cops weren't estatic to see somebody take him out, justified or not, and chose to try to make it go away?

 

[angelatc]

Why is that scary? Do you know me? Yes, you have the right to hunt them down, especially if they run from you!!!! Why the hell would they run from a non threatening person who ask them a question?

Why do you assume you're non-threatening? You're cruising the streets after dark, armed, trying to chat up strangers.

Why do you think you have a right to stalk and harass people who chose not to engage with you?

 

[azxd]

Why is that scary? Do you know me? Yes, you have the right to hunt them down, especially if they run from you!!!! Why the hell would they run from a non threatening person who ask them a question?

You said you have a gun ... You are dangerous to some, just because you own one ... But you also said you have a CCW and that makes you a future killer.

AND SCARY !!!