**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

[DisabledVet]

Oh good another thread on this.

I'll refute your foolishness below each bout of "noise" you spew.

1. You are taking it as a given that Trayvon initiated physical contact (no, the "witness" does not describe this, but only that there was a time where Martin was atop Zimmerman and winning the fight... not that Trayvon necessarily started it).

No, I'm not taking anything as a given, but that the EVIDENCE shows Zimmerman to have born the brunt of a physical assault. And there are several more witnesses your conveniently leaving out of the picture, but notice how only the Officers statement is present in the above post.

2. You are leaving out the part that, while Zimmerman had a bloody nose, Trayvon had a bullet hole. That's kind of important when you're comparing injuries.

Hmm I wonder which one preceded the other? Victim has bloody nose from an assault, uses gun in self defense. But lets say it your way, Trayvon gets shot an killed, rises from the dead and punches Zimmerman in the nose. OMG!!! ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE !!!

3. It is interesting to read that last line. No one would help him, but yet the very witness so many cite as showing that Martin initiated hostilities... says that he did hear calls for help, did tell the two of them to stop, that he was calling 9-1-1. Zimmerman seems to say that no one was helping him.

When your being assaulted, its obvious you want someone to step in and HELP... not stand there and say "Hey you two knock it off" and then call 911.
Your definition is subjective and will work to Zimmerman's defense in court as to his PERCEPTION OF A LIFE THREATENING ATTACK.

4. A ten-day suspension from school that was characterized as being utterly unrelated to violent acts.

WRONG, it speaks to his character which IS USED IN COURTS ALL ACROSS THE LAND.

It is odd that this "comparison" leaves out the other calls Zimmerman has made in the past (though I'd also like to know how many led to arrests, etc.). It also leaves out anything about his past in general. It seeks to swap the photos, though what I see isn't some thug... I see a really way too skinny guy showing off his teeth and flexing for some gals on FB. I also see a really REALLY old photo of Zimmerman, which I guess is supposed to get me to vote for him for Prom King.

The calls that Zimmerman made in the past as his position as a neighborhood watch captain that lead to no deaths will be of no use to any of Treyvon's lawyers.


Why old photos of either person is supposed to detract from the known facts, or keep the investigation from seeking for additional information, is beyond me.

OK, find me a photo of Zimmerman flipping off the camera.....go ahead...I'll wait...

 

[MelissaWV]

So flipping off the camera = likely to wander around until the Neighborhood Watch guy starts stalking you, leading him around in circles until he loses sight of you and gets out to scheck on a sign (all part of the plan!), then going back and charging him without any provocation at all (since Zimmerman is a choir boy).

Incidentally, it really hasn't been released what other injuries were present. You are the one making wild leaps here with zero proof, and adding name-calling to the mix.

One has to wonder what your motivation is.

 

[moo]

zimmerman has called the police on BABIES. he called the police on LITTLE KIDS NO MORE THAN 10 YEARS YOUNG FOR RIDING THEIR BIKES IN THE STREETS. can you imagine living in a neighborhood where a man was STALKING your children and calling the LAW ENFORCEMENT to come arrest your CHILDREN for riding their bikes?????????? excessive force is at an all time high. police are shooting to kill, tazing and brutally beating CHILDREN like they are dogs in the street and you have a racist man living in YOUR neighborhood who calls those type of men to arrest BABIES??? something isn't right with this situation. he called the police on BLACK BABIES and BLACK MEN! what does ron paul advocate against? THE MASS INCARCERATION IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND THE RACIST LAWS THAT PUT THEM THERE OR IN THE GRAVE.

 

[AuH20]

Not much difference in either pictures to me. Still looks like a kid. Well to be p.c... a young adult.

But the photo on the top would lead you believe that Martin was a pillar of society who walked old ladies across the street, while holding their groceries.

 

[moo]

and where is the dna evidence to prove that trayvon martin broke zimmerman's nose & busted his head open?

 

[azxd]

Oh good another thread on this.

Proof of the mentality that will defeat this nation from within.

 

[azxd]

zimmerman has called the police on BABIES. he called the police on LITTLE KIDS NO MORE THAN 10 YEARS YOUNG FOR RIDING THEIR BIKES IN THE STREETS. can you imagine living in a neighborhood where a man was STALKING your children and calling the LAW ENFORCEMENT to come arrest your CHILDREN for riding their bikes?????????? excessive force is at an all time high. police are shooting to kill, tazing and brutally beating CHILDREN like they are dogs in the street and you have a racist man living in YOUR neighborhood who calls those type of men to arrest BABIES??? something isn't right with this situation. he called the police on BLACK BABIES and BLACK MEN! what does ron paul advocate against? THE MASS INCARCERATION IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND THE RACIST LAWS THAT PUT THEM THERE OR IN THE GRAVE.

Nope, but I can imagine a neighborhood where kids are dead in the street because the parents are in control of their children.

 

[phill4paul]

No, I'm not taking anything as a given, but that the EVIDENCE shows Zimmerman to have born the brunt of a physical assault. And there are several more witnesses your conveniently leaving out of the picture, but notice how only the Officers statement is present in the above post.

Which officer is Smith? The narcotics detective on scene instead of the homicide detective. Or the officer that lead a witness by telling/correcting her that it was Zimmerman that yelled for help and not Martin instead of simply taking a statement?

 

[Anti Federalist]

But the photo on the top would lead you believe that Martin was a pillar of society who walked old ladies across the street, while holding their groceries.

He could be the baddest "Thug Life" muthafucker out there.

That is not germane to what the law is in this case.

You cannot use self defense as a legal justification for the use of deadly force, if you continue, provoke, or encourage an altercation that would normally not have happened, even if that altercation turns life threatening after the fact.

The facts presented so far indicate that is just what happened here.

The analogy would be: you go into the baddest biker bar in town, start harassing the baddest dude in the place, instigating a fight and then, when he proceeds to start pounding your ass into the dirt, you shoot him.

Now, you may have saved your life and did what you could to do so, but you will have no legal protection or legal recourse in claiming "self defense".

 

[silverhandorder]

Really? Do you know a single person who was going to vote for someone else and will now vote Obama because of this?

It's called rallying your base. Yes more people will come out because his side will put in more effort.

edit: My personal opinion on this is that Zimmerman fucked up and should suffer the consequences. However it pains me that we have such a double standard. If it was a cop in his place same thing would have happened but no one would be talking about this. That is the problem, that these issues are not being driven because of justice. If they were we would have a lot more cops sitting in prison.

edit2: And the lynch mob for Zimmerman is despicable even if it proves he is culpable.

 

[AuH20]

He could be the baddest "Thug Life" muthafucker out there.

That is not germane to what the law is in this case.

You cannot use self defense as a legal justification for the use of deadly force, if you continue, provoke, or encourage an altercation that would normally not have happened, even if that altercation turns life threatening after the fact.

The facts presented so far indicate that is just what happened here.

The analogy would be: you go into the baddest biker bar in town, start harassing the baddest dude in the place, instigating a fight and then, when he proceeds to start pounding your ass into the dirt, you shoot him.

Now, you may have saved your life and did what you could to do so, but you will have no legal protection or legal recourse in claiming "self defense".

I'm not justifying any of Zimmerman's actions. In fact, I don't know what happened. I was simply pointing out how the media distorts things in order to craft a narrative.

 

[Anti Federalist]

It's called rallying your base. Yes more people will come out because his side will put in more effort.

Yup.

The black demographic is already sewed up anyway, IIRC it went 98% for O-bomb-ya last time around.

Energize that base and get them out, that's guaranteed votes.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not justifying any of Zimmerman's actions. In fact, I don't know what happened. I was simply pointing out how the media distorts things in order to craft a narrative.

Of course they do.

And who owns the media?

To what end does the said narrative serve?

I'm trying to clarify to people what the law is, so that hopefully decades of work on CCW and gun rights do not go up in flames because some asshole Hispanic wannabe cop shot some black wannabe gangsta after getting into a fight that should never have happened.

Based on the facts presented, and my understanding of them, Zimmermann was not justified under the law, period.

 

[donnay]

Of course they do.

And who owns the media?

To what end does the said narrative serve?

As a major distraction! And hopefully cause a lot of racial divide, because as the story goes...divide and conquer!

 

[AuH20]

Of course they do.

And who owns the media?

To what end does the said narrative serve?

The TPTB that wants us to be holed up in our homes frightened at the thought of taking any action. The same TPTB that wants us to defer to the almighty police officer. The same TPTB that wants us to slink away in disgrace when confronted with political schemes disguised with racial overtones.

 

[Indy Vidual]

I like how this country randomly chooses an incident to get mad about, but doesn't care about the rest.

Or is it random???? Discuss.

Random?
We care about what the TV tells us to...

 

[Indy Vidual]

The TPTB that wants us to be holed up in our homes frightened at the thought of taking any action....

Aren't we there already? :o

 

[AuH20]

Aren't we there already? :o

Not everybody yet. They know this.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The TPTB that wants us to be holed up in our homes frightened at the thought of taking any action. The same TPTB that wants us to defer to the almighty police officer. The same TPTB that wants us to slink away in disgrace when confronted with political schemes disguised with racial overtones.

To that end they are being very effective.

LOL - And I used to get scoffed at back in 2007 when I and others would talk of "media conspiracies" and "government owned propaganda networks".

Not just this story, but the way RP is treated to how stories are built up and used, I think it's pretty clear now to everybody that is paying a little attention.

 

[Indy Vidual]

Not everybody yet. They know this.

OK, thanks.
Perhaps I need to get out more often.