**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

[dannno]

Shooting your neighbor's son does not equate to protecting your neighborhood.

"Real" neighborhood watch patrols don't allow their participants to carry guns, and they are never supposed to get out of their cars when patrolling in vehicles. If Zimmerman wanted to protect his neighborhood, he wouldn't have done things the way he did.

Apparently he wasn't on neighborhood watch, he was just on the way to the store. He had a gun on him for personal protection. He saw a suspicious person and called the police. He lost said suspicious person. He got out of his car to walk around to see if said suspicious person was prowling around the condos. Suspicious person came up from behind him and attacked him.

Nobody is saying what Zimmerman did was the best way to handle the situation, but he didn't do anything illegal.

 

[Revolution9]

50 pages with 40 to a page. All of this chit chat for a fat assed yuppie and some punk thug who crossed paths. Happened every day when i lived in NYC and Atlanta. Most didn't end up pushing up daisy's. When they did it got a paragraph or two in the paper..maybe in the police blotter section. What are they up to that they want you so focused on this very minor incident? These two clowns were made for each other and the universe pulled them together like magnets opposing poles. How could it have ended up any different. I was over it the first time I heard of it. And what kinda name is Trayvon?? I can't stand these frakkin' made up hybrid BS names. Is it like Cleavon and Trevor with an alliterated spelling? The most ridiculous one I ever seen was Tonishka Pizzariea Shawanda Jones.

Rev9

 

[dannno]

50 pages with 40 to a page. All of this chit chat for a fat assed yuppie and some punk thug who crossed paths. Happened every day when i lived in NYC and Atlanta. Most didn't end up pushing up daisy's. When they did it got a paragraph or two in the paper..maybe in the police blotter section. What are they up to that they want you so focused on this very minor incident? These two clowns were made for each other and the universe pulled them together like magnets opposing poles. How could it have ended up any different. I was over it the first time I heard of it. And what kinda name is Trayvon?? I can't stand these frakkin' made up hybrid BS names. Is it like Cleavon and Trevor with an alliterated spelling? The most ridiculous one I ever seen was Tonishka Pizzariea Shawanda Jones.

Rev9

Completely agree, this is all a very manufactured response from the media, they definitely have an agenda.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

Following a suspicious person is not stalking. It is most certainly not "attacking".

I would hope my kids would not attack an innocent person patrolling or otherwise peacefully moving about their neighborhood.

You're seriously telling me that if you were being followed by someone in a vehicle you wouldn't feel that was suspicious? You wouldn't feel that maybe they intended to do harm to you? Because that would be one of my first thoughts if it didn't have lights on the top of the car.

 

[TheTexan]

You're seriously telling me that if you were being followed by someone in a vehicle you wouldn't feel that was suspicious? You wouldn't feel that maybe they intended to do harm to you? Because that would be one of my first thoughts if it didn't have lights on the top of the car.

I would be alert to that possibility. Doesn't make it right to attack such a person, just because you thought "they might be wanting to harm you"

Because that would be one of my first thoughts if it didn't have lights on the top of the car.

This would only make me more convinced they intended to harm me.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

I would be alert to that possibility. Doesn't make it right to attack such a person, just because you thought "they might be wanting to harm you"

Zimmerman had a gun right? Was it in a holster? In the photos of him that night he doesn't seem to be wearing a jacket. So the gun was visible correct?

 

[TheTexan]

Zimmerman had a gun right? Was it in a holster? In the photos of him that night he doesn't seem to be wearing a jacket. So the gun was visible correct?

Not sure. What's your point? Having a gun without a badge makes you a bad guy?

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

Not sure. What's your point? Having a gun without a badge makes you a bad guy?

In most people's minds the strange guy following them in a car when they haven't done anything wrong who then gets out of said car and has a weapon is a threat. Especially if it's late at night.

 

[TheTexan]

In most people's minds the strange guy following them in a car when they haven't done anything wrong who then gets out of said car and has a weapon is a threat. Especially if it's late at night.

Hoplophobia isn't an excuse to attack someone. If he had drawn the weapon that changes everything, but holstered? No.

If a holstered weapon sends piercing fear into your heart, perhaps you should carry a weapon also.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

Hoplophobia isn't an excuse to attack someone. If he had drawn the weapon that changes everything, but holstered? No.

If a holstered weapon sends piercing fear into your heart, perhaps you should carry a weapon also.

You are seriously neglecting reality here. Not everyone with a gun is a great citizen who is trying to help you.

 

[RickyJ]

In most people's minds the strange guy following them in a car when they haven't done anything wrong who then gets out of said car and has a weapon is a threat. Especially if it's late at night.

What about the strange kid? What was he doing attacking someone anyway? He doesn't like people following him so he attacks them? That kid was destined to be killed sooner or later, you can't be that dumb and live for too long.

 

[TheTexan]

You are seriously neglecting reality here. Not everyone with a gun is a great citizen who is trying to help you.

Likewise, the opposite is also true.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

What about the strange kid? What was he doing attacking someone anyway? He doesn't like people following him so he attacks them? That kid was destined to be killed sooner or later, you can't be that dumb and live for too long.

You are also neglecting reality and making assumptions about the intelligence of a deceased person who you have never met. I'm done with this thread. A lot of the people defending the shooter have made comments that I find really offensive. It seems that this thread has proven that the person with the gun is always right no matter if they are police or a civilian. Victims be damned, families get over it, your son was a thug who got what he deserved.

Edit: No, I don't believe in gun control, just so you know and I'm not a liberal. Far from it.

2nd Edit: There's another lie. That Zimmerman called for help when in fact it was Martin.

 

[TheTexan]

You are also neglecting reality.

Following someone is not illegal, nor should it be. Following someone while carrying a visible holstered weapon, is also not illegal, and should not be.

 

[dannno]

You're seriously telling me that if you were being followed by someone in a vehicle you wouldn't feel that was suspicious? You wouldn't feel that maybe they intended to do harm to you? Because that would be one of my first thoughts if it didn't have lights on the top of the car.

If I was a hot chick and I was being followed by someone in a vehicle I would be suspicious that the person driving the vehicle wanted to fuck me and I'd probably be right, although it could also just be my imagination that they were following me.

If I was a male dressed up in nice clothes and I was being followed by someone in a vehicle I would be suspicious that a person from my past wanted to harm me or maybe the driver wanted to rob me or maybe it is my imagination and they are not following me.

If I was a teenage thug with dark skin and I was being followed by someone in a vehicle in an inner city I would be suspicious that I was in their gang territory or maybe they wanted to rob me. Again, however, it could just be my imagination.

If I was a teenage thug with dark skin and I was being followed by someone in a vehicle in gated neighborhood I would be suspicious that the person following me was suspicious of me and perhaps thought I was there to commit a crime or sell drugs. Or maybe it is just my imagination that they are following me.

I'm not being racist, you just have to use common sense when you are dealing with your surroundings if you want to have a better understanding about what is happening in your life so that you can deal with situations that may arise.

George Zimmerman may have not handled the situation in the best way, but Trayvon did an even worse job by assuming that somebody in a car following him in a gated neighborhood wanted to rob him or do harm to him. He should have known that being a stranger in a gated neighborhood, in a hoodie, dark skin or not, he is going to bring suspicion on himself and shouldn't attack people who become suspicious. That is not the correct way to handle the situation, either.

 

[RickyJ]

You are also neglecting reality and making assumptions about the intelligence of a deceased person who you have never met.

How intelligent is a person that attacks another person with a gun when they are so close to their home and could have then called for help?

Obviously if Trayvon did indeed attack Zimmerman then he did not know he had a gun, so he certainly did not attack him because he feared for his life.

Also if Zimmerman was the attacker than why did he yell for help? What person attacks another person and then yells for help? If Trayvon was attacked by Zimmerman first then why is there no indication of this by the coroner? To think that Zimmerman just pulled his gun out and shot a person for no reason other than they were suspicious borders on insanity.

 

[Captain Shays]

In most people's minds the strange guy following them in a car when they haven't done anything wrong who then gets out of said car and has a weapon is a threat. Especially if it's late at night.

How does anyone know he didn't do anything wrong?

 

[Captain Shays]

How intelligent is a person that attacks another person with a gun when they are so close to their home and could have then called for help?

Obviously if Trayvon did indeed attack Zimmerman then he did not know he had a gun, so he certainly did not attack him because he feared for his life.

Also if Zimmerman was the attacker than why did he yell for help? What person attacks another person and then yells for help? If Trayvon was attacked by Zimmerman first then why is there no indication of this by the coroner? To think that Zimmerman just pulled his gun out and shot a person for no reason other than they were suspicious borders on insanity.

Very well stated and there is evidence to back you up

 

[Ender]

Apparently he wasn't on neighborhood watch, he was just on the way to the store. He had a gun on him for personal protection. He saw a suspicious person and called the police. He lost said suspicious person. He got out of his car to walk around to see if said suspicious person was prowling around the condos. Suspicious person came up from behind him and attacked him.

Nobody is saying what Zimmerman did was the best way to handle the situation, but he didn't do anything illegal.

The official statement when Z was arrested says that he was on duty as NW when he shot Martin. There is also no witnesses to the statement that Martin attacked Z first.

 

[dannno]

The official statement when Z was arrested says that he was on duty as NW when he shot Martin. There is also no witnesses to the statement that Martin attacked Z first.

I'm pretty sure your first statement is incorrect - he was merely a volunteer, he wasn't actually on duty. But that isn't entirely relevant to the situation.

As for your second statement, what we need is PROOF beyond a reasonable doubt that Trayvon did not attack Zimmerman because Zimmerman is the one on trial. We need proof beyond a reasonable doubt that what he is saying is incorrect. Right now all we have to go off of is the witness who saw Trayvon pounding Zimmerman's head into the pavement while Zimmerman yelled for help. That goes right along with his story.