What does ANY of that have to do with our military. Our military doesn't give out aid to foreign countries or leaders.
Official thread: Where does the Egyptian military stand in this?
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What does ANY of that have to do with our military. Our military doesn't give out aid to foreign countries or leaders.
At most all the people of Egypt are going to get is the right to elect their government. Maybe better maybe worse. What they elect can be entirely worse for personal freedom in Egypt but at least they can change if they so choose. We have the right to vote now. Convincing the majority of the American people is all you have to do. Some people want to take a short cut and start a violent revolution now in this country. For what?? You are just going to end up less free.
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Same purse strings.
The same people that give orders to our military give orders to others. (Mubarak) It is an extension of control.
Those Tanks were bought with US Dollars. The Police were equipped with US Dollars. Their are American Made Jets attempting to intimidate the crowds.
The US has kept Mubarak in power for 30 years to enforce US policy in the area.
What else would you call it?
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The most despicable US political rhetoric by Obama, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, and other about Egypt on Sunday morning public relations firms of the federal government, Corporate Main Stream Media.
Will the Egyptian military be their "Oathkeepers" above Egypts political regime? I think they will eventually oust Mubarak
Mubarak meets with military commanders...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110130/wl_nm/us_egypt
Generals tell Mubarak to quit...
Malta Time
Troops move into Cairo square as curfew passes...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/31/world/middleeast/31-egypt.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=world
US funded General Dynamics F-16 Fighter Buzz Low Overhead of Demonstrators in Cairo, Suez
http://tiny.cc/36912
Will the Egyptian military be their "Oathkeepers" above Egypts political regime? I think they will eventually oust Mubarak
Mubarak meets with military commanders...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110130/wl_nm/us_egypt
Generals tell Mubarak to quit...
Malta Time
Troops move into Cairo square as curfew passes...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/31/world/middleeast/31-egypt.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=world
US funded General Dynamics F-16 Fighter Buzz Low Overhead of Demonstrators in Cairo, Suez
http://tiny.cc/36912
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/31/egyptian-army-pledges-no-force
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I don't think Mubarak has any cards left to play . . . unless our gov't does something drastic. I have to say that both the Egyptian military and the protesters should be commended for keeping things civil. They have nothing but time.
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Raw footage (not from The Guardian, UK Press):
I don't think Mubarak has any cards left to play . . . unless our gov't does something drastic. I have to say that both the Egyptian military and the protesters should be commended for keeping things civil. They have nothing but time.
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At least they'll have the illusion of choice? Right now they have no choice.
I am rooting for them getting that choice. My point is it doesn't automatically mean they will get more personal freedom. The majority they elect could be even harsher than their current government but it will be the majorities choice.
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http://wikileaks.ch/Egyptian-Military-Succession-Plans.html
Egypt - Egyptian Military Succession Plans Told to US Embassy
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- Evidence of torture and repression by Mubarak´s Police
The Egyptian military planned for a "smooth" transfer of power to the president’s son in the event of regime change, according to recently published US diplomatic cables.
A senior Egyptian politician told an American diplomat in July 2009 [09CAIRO1468] that the military would safeguard a "constitutional transition of power" and implied the armed forces would support Gamal Mubarak, the son of current president Hosni Mubarak. Dr. Ali El Deen Hilal Dessouki, a former minister in the ruling National Democratic Party (NDP), claimed that even though "the real center of power in Egypt is the military", they would have "no objection to a civilian" as the next president.
A remark interpreted by the US official as a "pointed reference" to Gamal Mubarak. Dessouki went on to dismiss the possible danger of protests against the current regime, calling opposition parties "weak" and democracy a "long term goal."
"There would be some violence around the upcoming 2010 parliamentary and 2011 presidential elections", he said, "but...security forces would be able to keep it under control."
"Widespread politically-motivated unrest was not likely because it was not part of the ’Egyptian mentality’. Threats to daily survival, not politics, were the only thing to bring Egyptians to the streets en masse." On 25 Janurary 2011, media reports recorded over 30,000 people who took to the streets to defy the government ban on protesting against President Hosni Mubarak’s 30-year-old rule. Security forces have arrested around 500 demonstrators over the two days, according to Interior Ministry sources. It has been reported that at least one protestor and one policeman have been killed in the capital. Gamal Mubarak’s presidential ambitions are well known inside Egyptian politics and society. In April 2007 [07CAIRO974], a US diplomatic cable quotes a protected source who observes that, "Gamal and his clique are becoming more confident in the inevitability of Gamal’s succession, and are now angling to remove potential stumbling blocks."
One potential obstruction was his lack of military experience. Unlike his father, Gamal did not automatically enjoy the support of the armed forces.
A cable from September 2008 [08CAIRO2091] quotes a group of Egyptian academic and civilian analysts who highlight "the armed forces’ uneasiness with Gamal Mubarak".
In the same cable, other analysts reportedly believe, "the regime is trying to co-opt the military through patronage into accepting Gamal" and conclude that "despite tensions between the military and business, their relationship remains cooperative."
In the cable dated 30 July 2009 [09CAIRO1468], Dr Dessouki acknowledged that although "the military is concerned about maintaining its ’corporate interests’", it was committed to a "constitutional transition of power."
http://wikileaks.ch/Egyptian-Military-Succession-Plans.html
Egypt - Egyptian Military Succession Plans Told to US Embassy
More articles ...
- Evidence of torture and repression by Mubarak´s Police
The Egyptian military planned for a "smooth" transfer of power to the president’s son in the event of regime change, according to recently published US diplomatic cables.
A senior Egyptian politician told an American diplomat in July 2009 [09CAIRO1468] that the military would safeguard a "constitutional transition of power" and implied the armed forces would support Gamal Mubarak, the son of current president Hosni Mubarak. Dr. Ali El Deen Hilal Dessouki, a former minister in the ruling National Democratic Party (NDP), claimed that even though "the real center of power in Egypt is the military", they would have "no objection to a civilian" as the next president.
A remark interpreted by the US official as a "pointed reference" to Gamal Mubarak. Dessouki went on to dismiss the possible danger of protests against the current regime, calling opposition parties "weak" and democracy a "long term goal."
"There would be some violence around the upcoming 2010 parliamentary and 2011 presidential elections", he said, "but...security forces would be able to keep it under control."
"Widespread politically-motivated unrest was not likely because it was not part of the ’Egyptian mentality’. Threats to daily survival, not politics, were the only thing to bring Egyptians to the streets en masse." On 25 Janurary 2011, media reports recorded over 30,000 people who took to the streets to defy the government ban on protesting against President Hosni Mubarak’s 30-year-old rule. Security forces have arrested around 500 demonstrators over the two days, according to Interior Ministry sources. It has been reported that at least one protestor and one policeman have been killed in the capital. Gamal Mubarak’s presidential ambitions are well known inside Egyptian politics and society. In April 2007 [07CAIRO974], a US diplomatic cable quotes a protected source who observes that, "Gamal and his clique are becoming more confident in the inevitability of Gamal’s succession, and are now angling to remove potential stumbling blocks."
One potential obstruction was his lack of military experience. Unlike his father, Gamal did not automatically enjoy the support of the armed forces.
A cable from September 2008 [08CAIRO2091] quotes a group of Egyptian academic and civilian analysts who highlight "the armed forces’ uneasiness with Gamal Mubarak".
In the same cable, other analysts reportedly believe, "the regime is trying to co-opt the military through patronage into accepting Gamal" and conclude that "despite tensions between the military and business, their relationship remains cooperative."
In the cable dated 30 July 2009 [09CAIRO1468], Dr Dessouki acknowledged that although "the military is concerned about maintaining its ’corporate interests’", it was committed to a "constitutional transition of power."
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