Official presidential election results thread - Nov. 8, 2016

[Nye]

How about Ron? It should be Ron. Rand probably wants to stay Senator.

I wouldn't mind that!

 

[CPUd]

How about Ron? It should be Ron. Rand probably wants to stay Senator.

Ron probably wants to stay retired.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Also what was up with [Trump] congratulating Hillary at his acceptance speech? Didn't he want to lock her up if he was elected?

The idea of locking Hillary up was never anything but a fantasy indulged in by Trump's more delusional supporters.

What makes you imagine that it's something Trump himself would ever want to do?

(And for future reference, there are many other fantasies of which Trump supporters are going to be rudely disabused in the days & years to come ...)

 

[UWDude]

The idea of locking Hillary up was never anything but a fantasy indulged in by Trump's more delusional supporters.

Don't be so sure.

I don't think the FBI and NYPD are happy about how they were silenced.
He may unleash the dogs of war on them.

You are assuming this all was not a well planned right wing coup.

I have called it as such.

 

[Mach]

Hillary supporters disappointed... and eating boogers (1:40).......



an inside pick

 

[openfire]

How about Ron? It should be Ron. Rand probably wants to stay Senator.

Ron was on AJ today and was asked if he would consider a position in the admin, like at the Treasury... In a nutshell, Ron said no, he is focused on educating people about freedom, etc..

 

[parocks]

Can imagine a lot of angry Trump supporters if he doesn't arrest her. I know here in PA the theme of arresting hillary if trump was elected was HUGE (and they weren't kidding about locking her up).

I could see Rand accepting sec of state if it fits in with what he believes (we don't even know where Trump stands on a lot of issues... Since he likes to change his mind like his clothes)

If Trump was comfortable with Rands foreign policy, I think Trump would just delegate. He's not a politician. Builds buildings, reality tv, pageants. There some other things. Had a board game 30 years ago. About 30 years ago a lot of people thought Trump was amazing I think mostly because building buildings. Anybody who isn't at least 40 really doesn't know how famous he was back then. He was kind of like a Kardashian or Paris Hilton. Typically, buildings could get built without the builder becoming super famous, but Trump did do that. What he wasn't doing was trying to influence policy with his money.


Donald Trump likes to be POPULAR. He likes being on TV and being famous and popular. That's his resume. He's really good at it. He's laid out a few policy proposals, draining the swamp is unpopular with swamp dwellers, like the media, importing fewer Syrian Terrorists is think is part of it. Jets not new is part. Our great vets. Build a wall. 35% tariff on goods imported by manufacturers who have left the US. Mostly he just politicans suck over and over and the media sucks over and over, and the bribery machine sucks. But he never got into any specifics about how the swamp was to be drained. I'd like to see the draining of the swamp have some teeth.

But Trump could easily slide away from the specifics of the proposals. Nobody is really all that enthused about new jets or a specific 35% tariff. Obviously the people who voted for him who actually really liked him didn't find those specifics objectionable, but they were the point. Most of it probably was "I hate them, too, Trump gets me".

There's an assumption being made that because a network of shadowy corrupt billionaires (Rothschild specifically) typically are the ones putting the politician into their spot, that certainly Trump, too, was put in his spot because of that network of satanic pedophile billionaires. But we don't really know this. The theory always was, by many at least, that the only way you'd be able to get a real outsider (and I mean, just a guy who serves at the whim of the Sabbatean Frankists, not the perfect set of policies) would be if he had his own money, his own way to buy a seat at the table, the Minerva loving bavarian grove billionaires could be ignored.

We see from Wikileaks that Hillary sends apologetic letters to Rothchild offering "penance". Rothschild was the initial big money source of Soros in the 1960s and now Soros gives Hillary a lot of instructions. Rothschild is one level up from Soros. These aren't fictional characters from a history book. These are the people she takes instruction from.

What do we know about Trump? Not much, but he does have enough money to fund his own campaign without getting enmeshed in the bribery system. We know that he was a friend of the Clintons. And that's bad. But, let's just see what happens. Wikileaks was able to present a clear picture of the networks that Hillary was involved in. The media didn't talk about that. They did seem to try to do everything they could to knock Trump down. If Trump has any alliances that, if exposed, would have cost him votes, we would've heard about it. We heard all types of made up bs about Trump. If there was something real and potentially damaging, we'd know about it. (Probably, there's a counter argument there).

 

[parocks]

Ron was on AJ today and was asked if he would consider a position in the admin, like at the Treasury... In a nutshell, Ron said no, he is focused on educating people about freedom, etc..

yeah, but he might think differently if it happened.

 

[AdamL]

All I can think right now is that this should have been Ron. He laid the groundwork only for an authoritarian piece of shit like Trump to take advantage of it. If only he had run again...

 

[Occam's Banana]

Don't be so sure.

I don't think the FBI and NYPD are happy about how they were silenced.
He may unleash the dogs of war on them.

You are assuming this all was not a well planned right wing coup.

I have called it as such.

More empty talk. Trump isn't going to do jack shit.

And that's precisely why I hoped he would win.

The sooner you people are disabused of your absurd, masturbatory fantasies and realize that the establishment is not even going to be slightly dinged by a Trump presidency - and that Trump himself never really had any actual intention of seriously dinging them to begin with - the sooner you'll realize just how foolishly pointless it is trying to beat the system at the system's game by the system's rules on the system's turf. Once enough people finally understand this (if they ever do), then there might be some kind of actual chance (maybe) for some kind of actual change.

But until then, it's all just "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" ...

 

[parocks]

Don't be so sure.

I don't think the FBI and NYPD are happy about how they were silenced.
He may unleash the dogs of war on them.

You are assuming this all was not a well planned right wing coup.

I have called it as such.

Whatever it was - you had both Bushes supporting Clinton.

I'd think that we'd like the guy who had all the terrible Presidents against him. Of course the Dems will support Hillary. But the Bushes? Bushes need a new home. There's your 3rd party. The non Bush wings of the GOP (which are better than the Bush wing) should be more powerful in a Trump administration. And that includes the Paul wing.

Reformulate the GOP with the Bushes out. Isn't that the best deal the Liberty wing can possibly get? You have Trump, you get in there and you take a bigger spot. Rand kept on the Hillary should be arrested message, he helped.

Trump has been reading some boilerplate stuff that GOP likes. Stuff that we don't like. It remains to be seen what exactly is going to happen. But if he removes the Bushes from the GOP, isn't that a big win? If McCain or Romney had won, would the Bushes be removed? No. It would've been the same as before, any real differences between Bush, McCain or Romney? Not really. Trump was so offensive that both Presidents endorsed HILLARY CLINTON. Unforgiveable. All Bushes have to find a new home. Third Party is the party of the Bushes, the other sinister cult with different rituals perhaps, different sexual depravities. Libertarians should be working wth Trump right now to form the new GOP.

 

[juleswin]

WTF? Id be damned. I own a lot of people money this morning

 

[parocks]

More empty talk. Trump isn't going to do jack $#@!.

And that's precisely why I hoped he would win.

The sooner you people are disabused of your absurd, masturbatory fantasies and realize that the establishment is not even going to be slightly dinged by a Trump presidency - and that Trump himself never really had any actual intention of seriously dinging them to begin with - the sooner you'll realize just how foolishly pointless it is trying to beat the system at the system's game by the system's rules on the system's turf. Once enough people finally understand this (if they ever do), then there might be some kind of actual chance (maybe) for some kind of actual change.

But until then, it's all just "a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" ...

Yeah, it's normal for 2 GOP ex Presidents to endorse Hillary Clinton.

The Bushes jumped out the GOP.

That's business as usual.

It may very well be that new boss same as the old boss, but do you really think that the Bushes would've quit the GOP, or taken that risk that they'd be kicked out if they failed to stop Trump, if they really were trying to get Trump elected?

The argument isn't that there are rich people who run things, it's that this particular group of rich people bought both the Bushes and the Clintons, both the GOP and the Dems.

Hillary and the media pushed Trump forward from the start. The idea was that Trump was beatable in the general, and the plan wasn't for Trump even to win, but just to clear out the serious outsider GOP, Rand, Carson, whichever ones they just wanted to ignore, and then push Jeb Bush against Trump, but Bush wasn't happening. And Trump wasn't as beatable as Hillary though. McCain was to Sarah Palin as Hillary was to Trump - sorta. Not vetted closely. Picked by candidate to help them.

We really don't know what Trump is going to do, but "Drain the Swamp" is what his voters wanted, not the other stuff. And Trump will likely have to do something that he can sell as draining the swamp. The one thing that his voters wanted, the one part of his message that could sell to the widest audience, is not going to be quickly ignored by Trump.

 

[timosman]

WTF? Id be damned. I own a lot of people money this morning

Own or owe? Either way you should buy yourself a drink.

 

[RonPaulIsGreat]

Knew Trump would win, he has lots of experience with political theatrics and dirty fights.

 

[juleswin]

Own or owe? Either way you should buy yourself a drink.

I am just waking up, at first I thought I was dreaming and then the dream turned into a nightmare, then I woke up again and it is still going on. I am stunned but I doubt the people I owe the money would show any mercy on me. I insulted these people like you cannot believe. I still cannot believe it.

 

[openfire]

I am just waking up, at first I thought I was dreaming and then the dream turned into a nightmare, then I woke up again and it is still going on. I am stunned but I doubt the people I owe the money would show any mercy on me. I insulted these people like you cannot believe. I still cannot believe it.

At least you acknowledge it. That's worth something in my book.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Yeah, it's normal for 2 GOP ex Presidents to endorse Hillary Clinton.

The Bushes jumped out the GOP.

That's business as usual.

It may very well be that new boss same as the old boss, but do you really think that the Bushes would've quit the GOP, or taken that risk that they'd be kicked out if they failed to stop Trump, if they really were trying to get Trump elected?

The argument isn't that there are rich people who run things, it's that this particular group of rich people bought both the Bushes and the Clintons, both the GOP and the Dems.

Hillary and the media pushed Trump forward from the start. The idea was that Trump was beatable in the general, and the plan wasn't for Trump even to win, but just to clear out the serious outsider GOP, Rand, Carson, whichever ones they just wanted to ignore, and then push Jeb Bush against Trump, but Bush wasn't happening. And Trump wasn't as beatable as Hillary though. McCain was to Sarah Palin as Hillary was to Trump - sorta. Not vetted closely. Picked by candidate to help them.

Even if true, I have no idea what any of this ^^^^ has to do with anything I said - which was merely that Trump isn't going to do jack shit, and that the sooner his ardent supporters realize this and stop hoping for change by working within the system, the better.

We really don't know what Trump is going to do, but "Drain the Swamp" is what his voters wanted, not the other stuff. And Trump will likely have to do something that he can sell as draining the swamp. The one thing that his voters wanted, the one part of his message that could sell to the widest audience, is not going to be quickly ignored by Trump.

I repeat: Trump isn't going to do jack shit.

He isn't going to go after Hillary.
He isn't going to "drain the swamp."
He isn't going to "smash the establishment."
He isn't going to do any of the things the cuck-baiting alpha-suckers fap over.

And if he tries, he will discover, as Gail Wynand did in The Fountainhead, that "You don't run things around here" ...

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

The real story here is that the dying (and now, perhaps dead) legacy media is finished. They no longer control the narrative. Whatever you might think of Trump, this is the end of an era and a significant change in the cultural zeitgeist. The MSM is finished, the alternative media is ascendant. If libertarians weren't so horribly ineffectual, it would be a good opportunity on which to capitalize.

 

[Natural Citizen]

The real story here is that the dying (and now, perhaps dead) legacy media is finished. They no longer control the narrative. Whatever you might think of Trump, this is the end of an era and a significant change in the cultural zeitgeist. The MSM is finished, the alternative media is ascendant.

Mhm. "Poor Megyn Kelly looks like she's about to cry on air"...

Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian

If libertarians weren't so horribly ineffectual, it would be a good opportunity on which to capitalize.

Agreed. Problem is that there are too many chiefs and not enough injuns. Likely won't ever change.

Still, though, I'm glad to see the modern Clinton/Bush dynasty come to an end.