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Earmarks are 100% unconstitutional. When RP submits an earmark - ANY earmark - he is 100% wrong.

Ok.. but guess what.. I (and I assume most everyone) could care less.

He's attempting to get back some of the money that was taken from his constituents by the IRS... makes sense to me.

A total non-issue.. (and that's coming from someone who has major issues/questions about a few of Dr. Paul's policies.)
 
Apparently AP thought it was "genius" too, 'cause their headline is PAUL DEFENDS EARMARKS.

Trying to defend RP's position on earmarks only makes one look like a fanboy. :(

Well, I'm a fangirl then. But what would you do? There is a difference between earmark requests and passing earmark bills. Dr. Paul votes AGAINST the bill. But he still requests, otherwise his district will go empty-handed on a bill that would pass regardless of his one "nay".
 
Ok.. but guess what.. I (and I assume most everyone) could care less.

Maybe you need to care, 'cause the AP just made it the focus of their article.


He's attempting to get back some of the money that was taken from his constituents by the IRS... makes sense to me.

Selected constituents. The best way to "get back some of the money" is to reduce overall spending. Earmarks are the antithesis of such.

A total non-issue..

Again, AP differs with you. Unfortunately, AP stories reach hundreds of millions more people than do your posts.
 
Well, I'm a fangirl then. But what would you do? There is a difference between earmark requests and passing earmark bills. Dr. Paul votes AGAINST the bill. But he still requests, otherwise his district will go empty-handed on a bill that would pass regardless of his one "nay".


Answer this please:

A Congressman takes an oath to:

(a) his district;
(b) the Constitution.
 
Did anyone notice that Russert thought he was going to get the last word in and "hack-job" Ron Paul by saying his quote on Fox News wasn't even accurate, but Ron Paul wouldn't stand for it and got his answer in quickly and energetically.

Russert's "Hack Job" he had been saving for last, failed miserably.
haha I didn't notice that at first but Paul was quick on the draw.
 
Earmarks are 100% unconstitutional. When RP submits an earmark - ANY earmark - he is 100% wrong.

Strangely, the Founders who wrote the Constitution didn't know that. They used earmarks. The habit was far less corrupt then, mostly involving exactly how much to spend on the construction of bridges and roads that linked the early states on vital trade goods routes.

If the president does not want to spend money on something that the Congress wants to spend money on, then even if the Congress has passed such a provision in their omnibus bill, the president can direct the relevant agency to do something else with the money. They can pass a provision, say to improve paving on a road in Yellowstone National Forest, have it pass unanimously in committee and unanimously in the House and in the Senate and in the conference committee and the president and the Dept of Transportation could still ignore it and just allocate that year's DepTrans budget however they want.

That is why we have to allow the custom of earmarks. So that Congress and especially the House's exclusive power of the purse remains with the people, not with the executive branch.

This last week, there is a new legal theory going around that somehow earmarks really are illegal and non-binding on the president. As closely as I can tell, this is much like the signing statements that Bush attaches to every major bill where he indicates how he reads a congressional bill submitted to him and how he intends to read it and enforce it and fulfill it. This is another attempt by the Bush faction to enlarge the power of the executive at the expense of Congress. If this keeps up, we may as well just call our president Caesar and sit around moaning about the loss of our republic.

While Congress has abused its earmark authority over the years, destroying the balance of power between the branches of government is no solution. The purse must stay in the House, where the Constitution says it belongs. It's not perfect, it's just the safest solution that the power of the purse is held only by the most democratic institution of the federal government and where changes can be made within two years by the voters if they don't like how they spend the taxes.

Let's not do violence to the Constitution just because there is some earmark abuse. There are times when earmarks are perfectly legitimate and are actually good for the country so the Congress can direct the money to specific targeted programs.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_vPUqPTims

Ron Paul addresses the earmark issue in this interview with Kudlow. The system is flawed and Ron Paul does his best in the flawed system. He is opposed to the federal income tax, yet he submits bills to give tax credits to the people. He is oppossed to social security, yet he submits bills to protect the fund so the politicians can't spend it. Ron Paul is trying to change this flawed system. If Ron Paul did what some of you are saying, he wouldn't be a 10 term Congressman, and he wouldn't be running for President this year! If defending Ron Paul on earmarks makes you a fanboy, then opposing him on earmarks makes you a Ron Paul hater and an enemy of liberty with no soul just like John McCain! Take that to the bank and cash it!
 
yeah, its a flawed system.

it's like asking someone if they still beat their wife.

the question is flawed, just as the current role of government is flawed
 
Answer this please:

A Congressman takes an oath to:

(a) his district;
(b) the Constitution.

I just don't see this in terms of black and white. I think it's the degrees of unconstitutionality. Taking money via the IRS (unconstitutional) and returning it through "water projects, a nursing program, and to expand a hospital cancer center and to promote" is something the taxpayer can benefit from. Granted the Texas shrimp is definitely interesting but I'm sure it benefits some aspect of the community. You can call them selected constituents but he does need to get re-elected. And yes, it's flawed--especially if it can be innovatively "exploited" this way.

Additionally, there is a time to be idealistic and pragmatic. Even Thomas Jefferson faced this problem regarding the Louisiana Purchase.
 
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He should have expected exactly this from Russert. This is what he does. He digs up old quotes and your record and tries to challenge you on it. This is serious journalism, not cable news fluff.

I wasn't satisfied with his response on the earmarks issue. He took the approach of trying to laugh off Russert, and that didn't really work. That seemed like something Giuliani would do.

He should have expected this question to be asked, and he should have had a precise answer prepared.
Unlike with Rudy, RP's laughter was genuine. He was flabbergasted by how misinformed Russert was on this issue - and Dr. Paul was having fun by this point.
 
I just don't see this in terms of black and white. I think it's the degrees of unconstitutionality. Taking money via the IRS (unconstitutional) and returning it through "water projects, a nursing program, and to expand a hospital cancer center and to promote" is something the taxpayer can benefit from. Granted the Texas shrimp is definitely interesting but I'm sure it benefits some aspect of the community. You can call them selected constituents but he does need to get re-elected. And yes, it's flawed--especially if it can be innovatively "exploited" this way.

The specious argument that "X benefits some aspect of the community" has been used ever since the New Deal as an excuse to steal trillions of dollars. I cannot believe a Ron Paul supporter wants to use the exact same language as Mr. Welfare Socialist himself, FDR.
 
Earmarks aren't unconstitutional in the slightest -- they are just adding greater specificity on how appropriations bills will be spent. Some of the things that are earmarked are unconstitutional, of course. Ron Paul votes against those, and pretty much all spending bills.

The problem with earmarks is that they make it easier for Congress to pass large spending bills, because people are more likely to go along when they get their cut. Which raises an interesting question -- since Ron Paul almost always votes against the final spending bill, why do other Congressmen vote for the earmarks he submits? They're not going to win his vote by supporting them, so they must think the earmarks would be popular in their districts as well.
 
If defending Ron Paul on earmarks makes you a fanboy, then opposing him on earmarks makes you a Ron Paul hater and an enemy of liberty with no soul just like John McCain!

It's not either/or.

Some people don't understand earmarks that well. We don't teach it in civics, the media never explains it in detail. And earmarks really can be good or bad or kind of neutral. Then there is the issue of whether getting rid of them hampers the House and neutralizes its power of the purse vs. the executive branch controlling decisions on all federal spending.

It's not something for us to fight about. We need to know the issue thoroughly and be prepared to discuss them. Ron Paul doesn't think earmarks are forbidden or that doing away with them altogether is an answer.
 
The specious argument that "X benefits some aspect of the community" has been used ever since the New Deal as an excuse to steal trillions of dollars. I cannot believe a Ron Paul supporter wants to use the exact same language as Mr. Welfare Socialist himself, FDR.

Well, it seems that I am drawn to Dr. Paul for different reasons than yourself. Call me a hypocrite but while I do enjoy his relatively strict interpretation of the Constitution, it was his integrity and overall policy that sold me. And I did have a Democratic streak, I suppose it has not entirely quelled just yet. Also, I edited my post but I guess that was missed. I think there's a time to be pragmatic and idealistic (e.g. Louisiana Purchase). And in this case Dr. Paul was pragmatic but still stuck to his ideals when push came to shove (when voting on the bill came about).
 
Even Dave Walker (this guy) pointed out on C-SPAN that not taking earmarks does not cut spending in any single way. MSM is really desperate.
 
Unlike with Rudy, RP's laughter was genuine. He was flabbergasted by how misinformed Russert was on this issue - and Dr. Paul was having fun by this point.

I liked that. Taking stupid questions too seriously makes people think they are actually serious issues. I'm surprised Ron didn't start laughing when Russert asked him about Iran invading Israel. But RP's retort was pretty wry.

Sometimes, you need to laugh this stuff off. But without doing a little Huckaphony standup comedy routine.

I thought Ron's use of humor and the light touch was just about right today.
 
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