OFFICIAL: "How Libertarian Are You?" Thread

[TJefferson1776]

Take the test here:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Economic Left/Right: 9.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.26

 

[MontanaJack]

Economic Left/Right: 10.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.95

 

[erowe1]

We all like to talk about our libertarian bona fides.

Do we have more right-libertarian "Constitutional Conservatives" here or do we have more Rothbard/Rand anarcho-capitalist types here?

Anarcho-capitalism IS right-libertarian.

Constitutional conservatism is not libertarian.

Also, I don't like to talk about libertarian bona fides, and one of the things that annoys me about Ron Paul supporters is that they do. I never refer to myself as a libertarian, and I don't care if anyone says I am or not.

 

[Stary Hickory]

No we have a lot of closet social statist libertarians here

true story

I mean a war loving neocon gets sniffed out and excommunicated quick here(which is good) but on the flip side we have people promoting the social state or even socialism here which is outright hypocrisy.

As for me I only agree with the use of force to counter the aggressive use of force. And just because you hide behind government and wield it as a weapon does not make you innocent.

 

[Sola_Fide]

No we have a lot of closet social statist libertarians here

true story

I mean a war loving neocon gets sniffed out and excommunicated quick here(which is good) but on the flip side we have people promoting the social state or even socialism here which is outright hypocrisy.

As for me I only agree with the use of force to counter the aggressive use of force. And just because you hide behind government and wield it as a weapon does not make you innocent.

I agree. There are a lot of leftists who gravitate here because of the war issue, but fail to apply the same principle of non-aggression to the State.

 

[Stary Hickory]

I agree. There are a lot of leftists who gravitate here because of the war issue, but fail to apply the same principle of non-aggression to the State.

Yep and this irks me because I am honest with myself and challenged a lot of views I inherited from family, and when people come here without having the courage to do the same thing it bugs me. In fact I am not sure why it is even allowed.

I always bent libertarian naturally, I was called an isolationist, questioned seat belt laws, and never gave a krap if people smoked weed or engaged in gay relationships or what have you. It's just my personality. I get tired of the forums being tolerant to socialist views whilst at the same time viscously denouncing Necocons. Both should be denounced at all times.

This is why the state grows, the social state has grown more than any other part. And is due to the fact people are wishy washy with these people when the social state has caused more hardship and injustice than any other aspect of government. It's the largest most far reaching part of government and needs to be challenged aggressively.

 

[YumYum]

I agree. There are a lot of leftists who gravitate here because of the war issue, but fail to apply the same principle of non-aggression to the State.

Not me. I don't trust the government and I have come to realize that all governments are evil and corrupt; the U.S. government being one of the worst. The federal government is going to collapse and we will fall into the arms of a world bank, just as Griffin predicted. Governments fail, and ours is no different.

What will not work in my opinion, is a total Free Market state where the rich can do whatever they wish in manipulating and controlling the wealth; thus making poor people poorer. People will still have the greedy bankers in a Free Market system. That is why I believe in a Fair Market system.

Also, I am considered a leftest because I care about our environment and I do believe that man is polluting the environment and I believe there is some validity to global warming. There should be laws that are enforced that does not allow man to "do whatever he wishes" with his property if it ends up hurting other people. I have seen both sides of the spectrum: beautiful pristine wilderness that man hasn't destroyed and pollution caused by man that the Earth cannot repair; at least not while man is on Earth.

I believe in a collective to survive, and it should be voluntary. That is the real world. Small groups or individuals who think that they can go it alone are delusional; they would have a very low chance of even surviving. The cells in our body realize the importance of being part of a collective in order to survive.

A Free Market world can be likened to Mel Gibson's village at the beginning of the movie "Braveheart", where the landlord wants to have sex with his woman before Mel and her get married. That is what a Free Market, anything goes, world would be like; not Disney World, where everybody acts like Ozzie and Harriet, or Leave it to Beaver.

As a leftest, I cannot tolerate what the greedy rich bastards have done to our country. There are two enemies: the government the extreme rich.

 

[Imaginos]

Libertarian is someone who worships Aqua Buddha!

JK
I do not fit into either category.
I am way too individualistic to fit into any category.

 

[erowe1]

Libertarian is someone who worships Aqua Buddha!

JK
I do not fit into either category.
I am way too individualistic to fit into any category.

"People who are way to individualistic to fit into any category" is a category.

However, since it's self-refuting, nobody can actually ever belong to it. Sorry.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Anarcho-capitalism IS right-libertarian.

Constitutional conservatism is not libertarian.

Also, I don't like to talk about libertarian bona fides, and one of the things that annoys me about Ron Paul supporters is that they do. I never refer to myself as a libertarian, and I don't care if anyone says I am or not.

Good points.

I guess what I meant to say is: Do we have more "social contract" types or "balls-to-the-wall anarchist" types...


You are quite the contrarian.

 

[thomas-in-ky]

Succumbing to labels for the sake of conversation...

I'll self identify with constitutional conservative or libertarian leaning Republican.

Economic Left/Right: 4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69
(wow, that test was painful)

 

[Old Ducker]

If we put labels on ourselves, it shows that we are followers, and not leaders.

Well said, Yum.

 

[low preference guy]

If we put labels on ourselves, it shows that we are followers, and not leaders.

Are you a human? Yes, you said yes? You just put a label on yourself! Stop being a follower, become a leader!

 

[Kludge]

The only problem with labels is when it doesn't fit. When used correctly, they are a great way to shorten conversations and get to the real meat of a topic. You generally can't change fundamental assumptions here, but you can point out contradictions when they extrapolate and force them to re-think their position.

For example, I am a voluntaryist, 100%. I am not a Ron Paulian, conservative, or minarchist. If I said I support the USPS, I'd expect someone to tell me I'm either not a voluntaryist or I shouldn't support the USPS.

 

[erowe1]

If we put labels on ourselves, it shows that we are followers, and not leaders.

"Leader" is a label.

For that matter, so is "we."

 

[CCTelander]

Labels are an abstract that we use for the sake of convenience. They're only dangerous if people allow themselves to become too emotionally invested in them.

 

[damiengwa]

i'm so libertarian i refuse to accept the collectivist label 'libertarian'

 

[YumYum]

"Leader" is a label.

For that matter, so is "we."

"Leader" is a title.

"We" is a subjective personal pronoun.

I was referring to the political/ideological labels that people on this forum are discussing. Are we splitting hairs by playing a semantics game?

"It depends on how you define the word "sex".

--Bill Clinton during his Grand Jury questioning.

 

[nayjevin]

No we have a lot of closet social statist libertarians here

true story

I mean a war loving neocon gets sniffed out and excommunicated quick here(which is good) but on the flip side we have people promoting the social state or even socialism here which is outright hypocrisy.

whu whu whuhhhh?

What forum are you living in?

 

[Meatwasp]

whu whu whuhhhh?

What forum are you living in?

Here. Nayjevin. I was beginning to think I was in a rah rah for socialism. forum