OFFICIAL: "How Libertarian Are You?" Thread

heavenlyboy34 said:
Sort of. It is true that government protects man from nothing, but it is more accurate to say the State is institutionalized violence. I maintain that a voluntary government would be useful to help those who are incompetent, weak, and so forth. This would in no way affect you, as you would, of course, choose not to participate.
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Voluntary government isn't government at all, is it?

What sort of government could exist under which ALL of it's subjects voluntarily acquiesced to it's ENTIRE rule?
 
I like to think I'm somewhere between the traditional an-cap and left-libertarianism (the kind that is a logical extension of Rothbard's theories). A few of the aspects of mutualism sound agreeable to me, also (particularly the point Kevin Carson makes about the nature of capitalism thus far in human history here). Of course my views will always develop. I'm not the most informed person economically, as it is hard for me to wrap my head around a lot of economic concepts. (I don't have the time to try to teach myself economics, or to take an economics course in high school.) But I am certain I will never return to mainstream politics ever again.

I guess one of my quirks is that I don't really like gradualism, although I am learning to accept it for now, and I tend to be very... black and white in terms of what ideals I support. Like, I'm dissatisfied with a lot of the Tea Party candidates for their stances on foreign policy, and some of them also lean socially conservative as well, which isn't my cup of tea.

(I had a paragraph or two originally typed here trying to explain another, vaguely-related pet peeve I have, which is that some Americans tend to be completely oblivious to the fact that there are other countries out there besides just the US, but I decided it to save it for other threads in case there was a discussion about that sort of thing. I might post it anyway if the discussion in this thread changes or if anyone is actually interested. :p) By the way, it wasn't advocating globalism or anything like that. ;)
 
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I Believe this:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government
 
In government, a fascist.

Looking at the big picture, a Voluntaryist on the basis of believing in the non-aggression principle.

And specifically, a brutally-moral localist with strong Anabaptist-y Communist leanings.
 
Anti Federalist said:
I Believe this:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government
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*cringe*

It always pains me to know that Jefferson was so influenced by the Enlightenment that he changed "property" to "the pursuit of hapiness".


Anyway, did the social contract of the Constitution have every subject consent to it? If one does not consent to the contract, is he duty bound to be forced to consent? Why?
 
I'm not much for labels if only that they are too confining. Regarding the US I'm an anti-federalist. As for myself I'm on the left side of the libertarian spectrum in that I don't view property rights as absolute (I support squatter's rights, for example). I am a strong believer in intellectual property...although I believe it could be supplied by the market. I support a general tariff subject to the rule of uniformity. I also support competing currencies and free banking.
 
Very interesting responses so far...

Interesting to see the left-leaning libertarians (read: pro-choice) here...
 
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AquaBuddha2010 said:
*cringe*

It always pains me to know that Jefferson was so influenced by the Enlightenment that he changed "property" to "the pursuit of hapiness".


Anyway, did the social contract of the Constitution have every subject consent to it? If one does not consent to the contract, is he duty bound to be forced to consent? Why?
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No, if you didn't sign it, you aren't bound to it. At least that's my understanding. No one alive today is bound by the Constitution. Although I dislike the Constitution because I'm an anti-federalist, it's better than the federal government being like a dictatorship, so I think the Constitution should be well respected until a more perfect one can be written.

I'm more in line with Rothbard. And Lysander Spooner. I like an-cap/voluntaryism.
 
QueenB4Liberty said:
No, if you didn't sign it, you aren't bound to it. At least that's my understanding. No one alive today is bound by the Constitution. Although I dislike the Constitution because I'm an anti-federalist, it's better than the federal government being like a dictatorship, so I think the Constitution should be well respected until a more perfect one can be written.

I'm more in line with Rothbard. And Lysander Spooner. I like an-cap/voluntaryism.
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Me too.
 
Anarcho-Capitalist, for sure.

Though, I am opposed to Rothbard in that I am a strong believer in Fractional Reserve Banking under a completely laissez faire 'Free Banking' System, specifically. Also, intellectual property is theft.

Like many others here, when I initially joined the RPF I was a limited-govt constitutionalist. Over time I progressed to minarchism, which after coming to the realization of it's logical and moral inconsistencies, and further research and reading into Rothbard, David Friedman, Mary Ruwart, F. Hayek, et al, along with reading and debating within these forums, I have come to let go of my stockholm syndrome for the state (I was admittedly very resistant to letting go of the need for the state, like others here), and embraced AnCap fully.

Eventually, most of you other guys who haven't yet, will :)

I did a poll a few weeks ago on the forums here - and as it turns out, more than 1/3 of everyone on RPF is an AnCap or Volutaryist by now - and it's growing ;)

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=254899&highlight=poll
 
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