**OFFICIAL** Hockey Thread

[wannaberocker]

Side or back of the head, regardless of where he hit him, Moore was not facing him, Moore had not accepted a fight, Moore was moving away and Bertuzzi hit him with a gloved fist. It's as much of a cheap shot as Marty McSorely hitting (and knocking out) Donald Brashear with a stick to the head.

And im not disagreeing with you on cheap shots. I much rather guys drop their gloves and fight in the playoffs, instead of the cheap shots.

 

[JebSanderson]

For as much as I hate the Nucks, the Bertuzzi outrage is over outcome, not action. If all that happened was Bertuzzi punched him and Moore got a black eye and a bruised ego, it would have been a dead issue. Bertuzzi did what he had been trained to do his entire life, the outcome sucked as they sometimes do, but the underlying action remained the same.

Does this seriously look like a regular hockey play?

 

[JebSanderson]

And im not disagreeing with you on cheap shots. I much rather guys drop their gloves and fight in the playoffs, instead of the cheap shots.

Oh I know you're not disagreeing. Cheap shots have no role in the game. And that's one reason I don't want fighting to be taken out, because you need the enforcers to make sure the star players aren't targeted.

 

[wannaberocker]

Oh I know you're not disagreeing. Cheap shots have no role in the game. And that's one reason I don't want fighting to be taken out, because you need the enforcers to make sure the star players aren't targeted.

Yup and the NHL players agree too. Didnt SI do a poll on fighting and out of the 200 players polled, 199 said fighting should stay.

 

[RiseAgainst]

Does this seriously look like a regular hockey play?

Yes, there are two sides to the issue, and Moore pressed it into this situation as much as Bert did. Moore, along with EVERY player who has ever strapped on skates knows the ethics involved. HE was the one who started it by laying the cheapshot on Naslund. He KNEW he had payback coming and RAN AWAY, creating the situation which led to his injury.

Tell me how THIS is any more a hockey play than Berts payback:

 

[JebSanderson]

Yes, there are two sides to the issue, and Moore pressed it into this situation as much as Bert did. Moore, along with EVERY player who has ever strapped on skates knows the ethics involved. HE was the one who started it by laying the cheapshot on Naslund. He KNEW he had payback coming and RAN AWAY, creating the situation which led to his injury.

Tell me how THIS is any more a hockey play than Berts payback:

I'm not justifying Moore's actions at all. But what Bertuzzi did completely crossed the line. I can't believe you're actually defending it...

Moore's cheap shot on Näslund was no where near as bad as what Bert did and in today's NHL would have easily gotten him a 5 game suspension.

 

[RiseAgainst]

I'm not justifying Moore's actions at all. But what Bertuzzi did completely crossed the line. I can't believe you're actually defending it...

I'm not defending it, I'm calling it for what it was. I'm not throwing Bert under the bus for the same damn thing hundreds before him and hundreds after him have done, are doing and will continue to do. The only difference was one of outcome, and it was NOT just Bert it was every bit as much Moore who brought it on.

 

[JebSanderson]

I'm not defending it, I'm calling it for what it was. I'm not throwing Bert under the bus for the same damn thing hundreds before him and hundreds after him have done, are doing and will continue to do. The only difference was one of outcome, and it was NOT just Bert it was every bit as much Moore who brought it on.

Show me another NHL player doing that in the past 10 years. There are tons of cheap shots every year, but I can't think of another incident in the last 10 years like the Bertuzzi-Moore incident. Not just in outcome, but in the actual action.

Edit: Oh and I'd like to add that Moore had already fought that game when Matt Cooke challenged him as payback for the Näslund hit.

 

[wannaberocker]

Show me another NHL player doing that in the past 10 years. There are tons of cheap shots every year, but I can't think of another incident in the last 10 years like the Bertuzzi-Moore incident. Not just in outcome, but in the actual action.

Even among fighters there is a general line that they try not to cross. I remember a fight between George Laraque and someone else. George was miked up and said something like "you wanna go? ...... ok, Good Luck" and started fighting.

 

[RiseAgainst]

Show me another NHL player doing that in the past 10 years. There are tons of cheap shots every year, but I can't think of another incident in the last 10 years like the Bertuzzi-Moore incident. Not just in outcome, but in the actual action.

Edit: Oh and I'd like to add that Moore had already fought that game when Matt Cooke challenged him as payback for the Näslund hit.

And guess what? Even the next year, May knew he had it coming, and accepted his payback from Boogie, no running away.

And as for Moore already fighting? No, you have it wrong. It was Moore who propositioned Cooke, not May, for the fight hoping to take on a lesser man for his payback. This was NOT the proper way to handle it, and he knew it. This was part of his running away. It was absolutely cowardly, to pick a fight with a smaller guy and then claim you are out from the debt owed? How you can defend Moore in any way shape or form and claim to support the enforcer role is beyond me. Moore stuck his middle finger up to "the code", cheapshotting the best player on the ice and then expecting to skate away from it untouched.

 

[JebSanderson]

And guess what? Even the next year, May knew he had it coming, and accepted his payback from Boogie, no running away.

that is nowhere near as bad as Bertuzzi.

The only one I can actually think of that is worse in the past 10 years is Chris Simon on Ryan Holweg.

 

[RiseAgainst]

that is nowhere near as bad as Bertuzzi.

The only one I can actually think of that is worse in the past 10 years is Chris Simon on Ryan Holweg.

Again, because you are letting outcome fog your mind. If Moore got up on his feet ten seconds after what Bert did you'd be singing a COMPLETELY different tune.

 

[wannaberocker]

A Ban? Not today lol 10-3

 

[JebSanderson]

A Ban? Not today lol 10-3

Holy crap!

 

[RiseAgainst]

Holy crap!

Agreed, think Bylsma inspired the troops?

 

[wannaberocker]

Agreed, think Bylsma inspired the troops?

the whole series has been about some really bad goalies performances.

 

[JebSanderson]

Agreed, think Bylsma inspired the troops?

I think Bettman paid off Bryzgalov to lose in order to make his baby Criesby feel better.

 

[JebSanderson]

the whole series has been about some really bad goalies performances.

Well Bryzgalov has never really been anything special, but MAF has been atrocious!

 

[RiseAgainst]

Well Bryzgalov has never really been anything special, but MAF has been atrocious!

Bryz is too much of a normal guy, he's got a smile on his face from ear to ear even after a loss. MAF is a proto-typical Quebec head case, and I revel in his meltdowns.

 

[hammy]

Oh em gee, there's a hockey thread here? LET'S GO PENS