Official Health Care Ruling Thread (Obamacare upheld)

[gte811i]

I am thinking the unconstitutionally oriented powers-that-be (all 3 branches of govt, last I checked..) have set this country on the path. If I am to choose between the two evils for my children, I'd rather go the socialist route than the facist one.

What if we get so overburdened by the social programs that we have to (actually) cut off our military spending overseas in order to pay the interest on our socialist debt? Wouldn't that be great.

The mix of the two (socialist nanny-ism and facist super-military complex) is much more dangerous than just one or the other. That's when you get to where we are now with drones peering into our windows and backyards, terrahertz scanners peering through our clothes, and being rounded up for fema concentration camps to "protect" us.

Take away the facist military budget and pay for the socialist budget and you have people telling you how to look, what to eat, and where to live, and taxing you to heck and back, but at least you might not get shot.

This was my thought (only you phrased it much better) in thinking about moving . . .

 

[jbauer]

Oh, I'm with you. But the flip side of this is if the doctor doesn't do every test then the kids can sue the doctor for "doing no harm"

I am going to make an unwelcome opinion.


It is our own fault that health care and insurance has become so pricey. We can't face death. We will spend millions just trying to live another month of two. If people were more realistic about life and death, and did not want every test and every medication available than insurance would not be so high. Yes, I am saying, let grandma die. Let her die with dignity and love..., rather that filled with a countless number of drugs, and hooked up to every machine imaginable.

I also think it sad that people need to be forced by law to take care of their own expenses.

Still... I do not want government involved in health care,. They have a horrible track record. SS, Medicare, even the Post office are all in trouble. Things are going to go from bad to worse, and there is enough blame to go around for everyone.

 

[Machiavelli]

Nullification!

 

[crhoades]

Headline you won't see:

Government sides with Government in recent ruling

 

[romancito]

Nullification!

Ron Paul Party!

 

[romancito]

Headline you won't see:

Government sides with Government in recent ruling

Right. Like in any good Chinese or North Korean community, or Cuban, Iraqi, Iranian, Syrian, Russian, Congo, Sudanese, etc. etc.

 

[bighairycaveman]

If Obamacare is a tax, then shouldn't it have originated in the House? It passed the Senate on December 24, 2009 and then passed the House on March 21, 2010. According to Article 1, Section 7, Clause 1 of the Constitution, “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills”. Check out the wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

 

[Vessol]

Yay! The federal government is going to hold a gun to my head and force me to get health insurance!

 

[UtahApocalypse]

If Obamacare is a tax, then shouldn't it have originated in the House? It passed the Senate on December 24, 2009 and then passed the House on March 21, 2010. According to Article 1, Section 7, Clause 1 of the Constitution, “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills”. Check out the wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

Interesting.... Nullify?

 

[Lucille]

I'm sorry, but I am not at all surprised. It's how the corporate state rolls.

It's here to stay and (unless the implosion of the UFSA comes first) the GOP will be "saving" Barry's Big Fascist Medical System in 25 years, just like they're "saving" Social Security and Medicare now.

 

[Vessol]

Interesting.... Nullify?

I wish. The mainstream GOP will make a shitstorm and then sit down like good little boys.

 

[wgadget]

They knew that if this was ruled unconstitutional, then SS was up next.....They justified it the same way they justify the SS mandate: a tax.

Bunch of chicken sh!ts

This, squared.

 

[wgadget]

Some Republican governors are going to IGNORE the ruling until after the election.

Hmm.

I smell secession.

 

[wgadget]

And by the way, what can they NOT TAX?

Ya know, I hear there's a SHORTFALL in the budget....

 

[bighairycaveman]

If Obamacare is a tax, then shouldn't it have originated in the House? It passed the Senate on December 24, 2009 and then passed the House on March 21, 2010. According to Article 1, Section 7, Clause 1 of the Constitution, “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills”. Check out the wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act

I just emailed Judge Nap. And sent a tip to Drudge. Hopefully someone talks about this.

 

[Tiso0770]

Supreme Court upholds ObamaCare and Americans have lost the right to be left alone

When President Obama signed the Patients Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), commonly known as "ObamaCare" into law in 2010, the National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) decided that we had to take the fight to the Courts.

We joined the lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the health care law because, for months, we had heard from small business owners who were greatly concerned over the costs, the burdens and the impositions that the PPACA would bring. They believed it threatened their businesses, employees, families, and livelihoods.

So we fought to the bitter end to keep their fears from playing out.

Yet this case was about something bigger than health care policy, it was about preserving American liberty from the increasingly powerful hand of the federal government.

Today marks a sad day in the history of America. With this decision, Americans have lost the right to be left alone, which Justice William O. Douglas once called “the beginning of all freedom.”

It is painful to recognize that the liberties which our forefathers fought a revolution to secure have been lost. But it is clear that our original constitutional system has been thrown out, and we are left with only the democratic process to preserve our rights. That should be a sobering thought for anyone who values liberty.

The significance of this decision cannot be overstated. Our Founding Fathers were greatly concerned that by giving too much power to the federal government, they would be endangering our liberties. So they sought to restrain the federal government by vesting it with only limited powers. As James Madison said, the powers of the federal government were to be “few and defined.” Yet with this decision, it is clear that the powers of the federal government are no longer limited at all. Our only remaining protections are with those liberties which were explicitly spelled out in the Bill of Rights, and even those are under assault. So today Madison’s vision of the American Republic has been turned on its head: The powers of the federal government are now broad and uncabined, and the freedoms of the people are few and confined.

As Justice Kennedy put it, during oral arguments in March, the individual mandate “changes the relationship of the Federal Government to the individual in a very fundamental way.” We wholeheartedly wish that more weight had been added to that statement in the Court’s opinion. But the die has been cast.

We must now look forward, with great trepidation, into this brave new world, a world in which the Constitution has been undone, and federal power knows no limit. This is a day that our Founders would never have wanted to see. All that they had fought to secure and preserve has been lost.

But, it is important to realize that at the end of the day this is about real people. We were fighting so that small business owners would not be subject to paternalistic demands to buy a product that they did not want, or need.

We were fighting so that you and I could choose whether or not to buy broccoli, or cars or gym memberships or solar panels. With this decision, we no longer have the choice.

What will happen next is anyone’s guess. But it seems clear that the political dialogue over health care reforms will continue.

In any event, we will never give up, and we will never give in. Today we have suffered a terrible setback, but we will press on in our fight to protect small business owners, and to restore our lost Constitution.

On the health care front, the mandates and burdens imposed by the PPACA remain a grave concern for small businesses. Moreover, small business owners are still worried about the costs of health care; so health care reform will remain a top priority for NFIB.

We have long advocated free-market oriented health care solutions that will benefit all Americans without putting undue strain on our job creators, and we will continue to carry that banner forward until we have achieved workable solutions to these vexing problems.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012...ve-lost-right-to-be-left-alone/#ixzz1z6puqW3V

 

[wgadget]

Dang....If we ONLY woulda listened to RON PAUL, the CONSTITUTIONAL EXPERT.

 

[wgadget]

I just emailed Judge Nap. And sent a tip to Drudge. Hopefully someone talks about this.

I heard that it DID originate in a House bill, buried in amongst other things.

 

[Lucille]

The Humanitarian with the Guillotine

 

[jmdrake]

You're opinion is welcome. It's just wrong. Let me explain. The cost of healthcare has far more to do with how the government has rigged the system than with "life greedy people unable to face death". Things went south when the government decided to make healthcare a tax benefit to businesses instead of a tax benefit to individuals. So you don't think about your healthcare costs. It's just something that "comes out of your check". If you're married you probably get a family health benefit. If you decline your companies insurance because your on the insurance of your spouse do they give you that money in terms of extra pay? Probably not. But even if they do it doesn't do you as much good because of the tax code. If the health insurance market wasn't warped by the government some people would individually choose the "Toyota" plan that just paid for the bare essentials while others would pay for the "Mercedes" plan that covered everything.

The other way the government has screwed up the cost is through patents. Company A makes a drug that's slightly better than the drug that just went off patent and charges 10 times as much. In a truly free market the only way they could protect their "intellectual property" is through trade secrets. Instead we have the patent system where they'll allowed to stifle competition. Now you may say "But without patents there would be less innovation". Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe Company B would have an incentive to make a slightly better version of Company A's drug. But there's no debating the fact that patents drive up costs.

A third way is licensing. Medical professionals have to jump through all sorts of hoops not only to get a license but also to keep it. And the rules vary from state to state, sometimes arbitrarily. Some of this may be for quality control, but a lot of it is based on lobbying by various professional organizations to artificially restrict the labor supply to drive up wages of those who get through the hoops.

I could go on, but I hope you see the point. It's wrong to blame individuals for a problem created by the state.

I am going to make an unwelcome opinion.


It is our own fault that health care and insurance has become so pricey. We can't face death. We will spend millions just trying to live another month of two. If people were more realistic about life and death, and did not want every test and every medication available than insurance would not be so high. Yes, I am saying, let grandma die. Let her die with dignity and love..., rather that filled with a countless number of drugs, and hooked up to every machine imaginable.

I also think it sad that people need to be forced by law to take care of their own expenses.

Still... I do not want government involved in health care,. They have a horrible track record. SS, Medicare, even the Post office are all in trouble. Things are going to go from bad to worse, and there is enough blame to go around for everyone.