Official CNN GOP Debate Thread 12-15-15

fcreature said:
Cruz just went from 6% to 20+% in a matter of two weeks. Have you been paying attention?

Your response has further illistrated your true intent.
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Cruz benefited from an evangelical departure from Ben Carson. Does Rand Paul have such a benefactor waiting in the wings?
 
alucard13mm said:
I think Rand should stick with not giving welfare to refugees. That is one of the big problems with refugee aside from potential terrorism from refugees.

Why give tax dollars to non-americans who havn't paid a dime into the system... welfare and assistance right off the bat? Shit, Rand could say many vets are homeless, give money to vets instead. give vets a home and food stamps and shit instead of to refugees.
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Because liberals and some deluded, guilt-ridden libertarians think we have a duty to sacrifice our own well being to help the whole world. 91% of refugees stay on welfare, but they don't care because it makes them feel like good people to give up what they and their forebearers struggled for. The point of having a nation is for similar people to band together and protect each other, and improve their lot. We have no obligation to let anyone into this country if they are not going to improve our own lives. People who can only come over and take welfare are not improving our lives.
 
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hells_unicorn said:
You suffer from the same short-term memory issues that Trump does when arguing your point, you opened up your post by implying that I was a kook and now pretend like you didn't insult me. If you're going to throw jabs, you better be prepared to get hit back son.
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When did I pretend I didn't insult you? I freely admitted it, and called you on doing something far worse that you don't care to man up to. You opened up your post by stating, not just implying, that I only insulted you and didn't present an argument when the insult was in fact followed immediately by my argument.
 
TheSwampFox said:
I'm not a trump troll. I'm a realist. Paul missed his window for reentry months ago. Now it's uphill sledding, while Cruz and Trump soak up much of the coverage.
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Don't be too down yet. It's unlikely Rand will come back, but not impossible. Remember that Rick Santorum was in his position at this time before he won Iowa.
 
misterx said:
Don't be too down yet. It's unlikely Rand will come back, but not impossible. Remember that Rick Santorum was in his position at this time before he won Iowa.
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There wasn't a "Trump Factor" back then like there is now.
 
misterx said:
Because liberals and some deluded, guilt-ridden libertarians think we have a duty to sacrifice our own well being to help the whole world. 91% of refugees stay on welfare, but they don't care because it makes them feel like good people to give up what they and their forebearer's struggled for. The point of having a nation is for similar people to band together and protect each other, and improve their lot. We have no obligation to let anyone into this country if they are not going to improve our own lives. People who can only come over and take welfare are not improving our lives.
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Interventionism is bad all around.
 
misterx said:
When did I pretend I didn't insult you? I freely admitted it, and called you on doing something far worse that you don't care to man up to. You opened up your post by stating, not just implying, that I only insulted you and didn't present an argument when the insult was in fact followed immediately by my argument.
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Now you're ignoring the rest of my post, you are definitely prime material for a Trump supporter if you aren't all the way in the tank for him already. There was plenty of material in my post that you conveniently ignored, not the least of which is noting Trump's past rhetorical love affair for the Clintons, even going so far as saying that Bill Clinton was the greatest of his lifetime (he wasn't much of a Reagan fan, I take it). Leave us not forget some of the idiotic attacks that Trump made on Ron Paul back in 2012.

A word of advice, don't tell other guys to man up, you don't have the maturity level to pull it off convincingly.
 
hells_unicorn said:
Now you're ignoring the rest of my post, you are definitely prime material for a Trump supporter if you aren't all the way in the tank for him already. There was plenty of material in my post that you conveniently ignored, not the least of which is noting Trump's past rhetorical love affair for the Clintons, even going so far as saying that Bill Clinton was the greatest of his lifetime (he wasn't much of a Reagan fan, I take it). Leave us not forget some of the idiotic attacks that Trump made on Ron Paul back in 2012.

A word of advice, don't tell other guys to man up, you don't have the maturity level to pull it off convincingly.
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K, kiddo. You made your point, go call someone else names now.
 
I cannot believe I never doubted him. Of course, I am referring to Rand. I never doubted that Trump- for his 12 or so other iterations - was a lunatic. It does seem like the establishment learned some salutory, pernicious, lessons from Ron's success and that they are pushing Bernie Sanders, a candidate that is but a - for support that is more deservefly rand's-siphon. I don't think that matters, so long as Rand keeps bringing this kind of heat. Lucky for us the liberty embers NEVER burn out.
 
TheSwampFox said:
That's very true. In fact, Trump's Scottish Golf Club Turnberry was conspicuously kicked off the British Open rotation for his likely meteoric political ascendance.

Trump is the only anti-globalist candidate that can capture the republican nomination, in that's he openly mocked Israeli boosters at a campaign event as well as simultaneously taking on the likes of CAIR and the house of Saud. Unfortunately, Rand buried himself too far behind early on, even though he's starting to perform much better of late. When you start under 5%, it's hard to make up that type of ground in such a short amount of time.
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Santorum was at 4% in Iowa (1% nationally), he finished 1st with 24.6% in Iowa. Cain was at 20% in Iowa, didn't even finish in the top 5.
 
I have one gripe with one of Rand's answers. He said that "no one" in the Middle East is doing anything about the Refugee crisis. That's not true, there are certain countries who are definitely doing nothing (Saudi Arabia), but countries like Turkey, Lebanon, and Jordan have taken in more refugees than anyone. Now maybe I misinterpreted it, but that's how it came across.
 
bronc_fan23 said:
I have one gripe with one of Rand's answers. He said that "no one" in the Middle East is doing anything about the Refugee crisis. That's not true, there are certain countries who are definitely doing nothing (Saudi Arabia), but countries like Turkey, Lebanon, and Jordan have taken in more refugees than anyone. Now maybe I misinterpreted it, but that's how it came across.
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I noticed that too, but I'm not going to gripe about his use of "no one" instead of "some" because the point stands. It's their region, and their people, they should be the ones doing all of it. It makes no sense to ship these people half way across the world to a foreign culture when there are surrounding countries with similar cultures that have the ability to take them in and care for them.
 
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