October 28th Republican debate on CNBC - Official thread
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It is really hard to come away from this and last few weeks and not think Cruz has smartly positioned himself.
I think Rand was pitch perfect if he were trying to appeal to me. Unfortunately, I care exclusively about issues. Rand explained entitlements very well and brought up spending. A lot of people seem to care about being "high energy" and "alpha." I don't know what those mean but they clearly matter.
I think Rand was pitch perfect if he were trying to appeal to me. Unfortunately, I care exclusively about issues. Rand explained entitlements very well and brought up spending. A lot of people seem to care about being "high energy" and "alpha." I don't know what those mean but they clearly matter.
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Dumbing it down is not the way to go. No candidate wins by dumbing things down. They win by being a more likeable adult than everyone else. Rand can improve on that, certainly, but he won't win by being a condescending ass.
I thought Priebus promised this wouldn't happen this cycle? I thought he was choosing "friendly" moderators?
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I didn't quite catch everything, but I was over at my folks' house and caught most of the debate. The whole thing was horrible, the moderators were terrible, every candidate came off as overly combative and rude with the exception of Rand Paul. If I were to give points for who did the best job at hacking on someone else, I would say that Christie, Rubio and Cruz scored the most points.
Having said all that, Rand was the only person who I think decided not to take the bait and get into a shouting match with anyone else. He did try to chime in a couple of times and did actually get some good words on his tax plan, but he was far more reserved than the two previous performances, which is fine, most of the other people on that stage looked like absolute clowns, particularly Trump and Bush, with Kasich nipping on their heels.
I actually came away from this debate liking Cruz a little bit because of how he shut down those idiot moderators, who were trying to essentially foment a battle royale. Rand Paul did fine for what he was given, they were marginalizing him from the get-go and allowing everyone else to run their mouths incessantly, particularly Kasich who, quite frankly, just droned on and on about how pious he was for not dealing with reality regarding entitlement reform.
I'm going to abstain from watching the post-debate coverage because I have no interest in somebody else telling me for an hour or so that I didn't actually see what I saw and didn't hear what I just heard. If this debate ends up sinking both Donald Trump and Jeb Bush, I'll consider it a victory and hope for greener pastures on the campaign trail.
Having said all that, Rand was the only person who I think decided not to take the bait and get into a shouting match with anyone else. He did try to chime in a couple of times and did actually get some good words on his tax plan, but he was far more reserved than the two previous performances, which is fine, most of the other people on that stage looked like absolute clowns, particularly Trump and Bush, with Kasich nipping on their heels.
I actually came away from this debate liking Cruz a little bit because of how he shut down those idiot moderators, who were trying to essentially foment a battle royale. Rand Paul did fine for what he was given, they were marginalizing him from the get-go and allowing everyone else to run their mouths incessantly, particularly Kasich who, quite frankly, just droned on and on about how pious he was for not dealing with reality regarding entitlement reform.
I'm going to abstain from watching the post-debate coverage because I have no interest in somebody else telling me for an hour or so that I didn't actually see what I saw and didn't hear what I just heard. If this debate ends up sinking both Donald Trump and Jeb Bush, I'll consider it a victory and hope for greener pastures on the campaign trail.
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Christie on Hannity now . . .http://www.tvpc.com/Channel.php?ChannelID=29772
Just said what Rand said about raising ages on social security and medicare . . .
Rand just came on now. Asked about the filibuster.
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The only thing he did was eject the freak-show over at MSNBC from the list of places that they'd patronize. I agreed with him doing this (probably the only smart thing he's done since taking over the RNC) but apparently he didn't go far enough. CNBC may as well have had Rachel Maddow and Al Sharpton out there asking questions, it was literally that bad.
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The classic example of asking people if we need to cut government spending, and finding a majority sincerely believe we need to, and then asking them one by one, what functions they want to cut, and learning they don't want to cut anything.
This is why spending always increases. We can blame the politicians every day, but they aren't the problem. We are. They are giving us exactly what we ask them for.
This is the truth. It is all about sound bites (I would also argue that nobody really gets great or in depth points in because of the lack of time to answer).
Outside of that, Rand is much more articulate than Ron, but that seems to mean little. Ron at time rambled and got off point, but that made him him standout. Speaking clearly but within the confines of the Republican Primary means little.
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Maddow and Sharpton would have been better than what we saw. At least they would have at least pretended to be above the level of filth we were forced to endure tonight.
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If they keep this up the Republicans will lose in the general. If they talked about reducing fraud, means testing, income cut-offs and reducing military spending the regular folks would be willing to listen. Talk about raising the age is just going to piss allot people off.
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Rand now alternating between 3rd and 4th in after-debate live polling:
http://www.cnbc.com/voting/
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