Obama will REQUIRE community service -- PLEASE DIGG

[t0rnado]

The only people who I could see as doing this are the normally complacent people. This 16 year is not going to do any community service for Obama. The government exist for the people, the people do not exist for the government.

 

[tajitj]

He took it down according to this site.

http://www.politicallore.com/presid...es-his-agenda-from-website-after-scrutiny/449

 

[Bruno]

He took it down according to this site.

http://www.politicallore.com/presid...es-his-agenda-from-website-after-scrutiny/449

Thanks for the article. Great comments on there as well.

Here's mine:
100 hours of work for $4,000 paid tuition? I don’t make $40/hour, and I don’t think taxpayers should pay college students that much for “national service” either.

 

[The_Orlonater]

Has this hypocrite ever heard of the thirteenth amendment?

 

[ingrid]

I think we too often suffer from the "lets get angry and DO SOMETHING!" syndrome.

Far too often in the past 1.5+ years, I've seen RP supporters willing to "take action", but not sit down, think, and PLAN that action, it was always just "LETS DO IT!" and people went shooting off in all directions, with pretty predictable results.

If we don't take the time to make sure we know what we are talking about, then make a rational plan to fight the problem, we will never succeed.

Enthusiasm is good, but directionless enthusiasm is nearly useless. Enthusiasm spent fighting a problem that isn't really a problem, is completely wasted.

Great post.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

http://www.change.gov/americaserves


Digg: http://digg.com/politics/Change_gov_or_Slaves_gov_Obama_wants_to_REQUIRE_service
Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7bv7z/obama_plan_will_require_50_hours_of_community/
Note: Admin added links.

EDIT: After the posting of this, the wording on the page has been changed. Wonder why?

It NOW says:

This link doesn't explain how Barry plans to pay for this. Any ideas?

 

[The_Orlonater]

A few schools doing this locally is not as obscene as a federal mandate to make the entire nation do it.
The idea of federalism was to have 50 competing governmental ideas... so those that were stupid would lose out to those that were superior.
We have one national government and 50 wards to that power.
The federal government owns your body... your children that come from that body, all the fruits of the labor that comes from that body, and thus can control what that body ingest, what that body contracts with other bodies... etc.
This is slavery, and that is not hyperbole.

What's the difference between a pound of feathers or a pound a bricks?
Different material ,but the same weight.

What's the difference between local involuntary service and federal local involuntary service?

You still are fucked, just a different guy is fucking you.

 

[The_Orlonater]

People, do your homework.
Don't be so eager to rebel that you take major leaps to irrational exaggerations.

Oh please, you're still taxing us more.

 

[Expatriate]

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[eskimoranger]

Wow...

I never thought this community would resort to the same kind of "treatment" we were getting from the MSM during the primaries. This "guilt by association" approach is.. well.. not the best way to earn respect. Obama is like Hitler and Stalin? Oh comon! It's like every politician who calls upon public works is a nazi, a murderer of innocent people and a perverted sadist. Right

Obama is obviously trying to ignite the kind of voluntary charity movement that Ron Paul has talked about for a long time. Maybe someone remembers the thing with We The People and common purpose? The thing with rolling up sleeves instead of waiting for someone else to fix the mess?

IMHO this thread seems to be more about personal antipathy and frustration than anything else. Ron Paul would never do something like this, at least in public. He sticks to the facts and shows good will. So should we. Otherwise we are discrediting Ron Paul and ourselves also.

Although I am convinced Obama's economic approach is not viable in the long term, I support the initiave to rally common citizens to community work. If it is truly for common good and voluntary, it is a Good Thing.

 

[sirachman]

There is a big difference between

voluntary charity

and required "charity"(labor). As i recall the definition of volunteering somewhere includes the idea of it being voluntary, am i correct? What Obama is describing much more clearly resembles the definition of slavery.

 

[ghengis86]

I never thought this community would resort to the same kind of "treatment" we were getting from the MSM during the primaries. This "guilt by association" approach is.. well.. not the best way to earn respect. Obama is like Hitler and Stalin? Oh comon! It's like every politician who calls upon public works is a nazi, a murderer of innocent people and a perverted sadist. Right

Obama is obviously trying to ignite the kind of voluntary charity movement that Ron Paul has talked about for a long time. Maybe someone remembers the thing with We The People and common purpose? The thing with rolling up sleeves instead of waiting for someone else to fix the mess?

IMHO this thread seems to be more about personal antipathy and frustration than anything else. Ron Paul would never do something like this, at least in public. He sticks to the facts and shows good will. So should we. Otherwise we are discrediting Ron Paul and ourselves also.
Although I am convinced Obama's economic approach is not viable in the long term, I support the initiave to rally common citizens to community work. If it is truly for common good and voluntary, it is a Good Thing.

uh, actually that's exactly what they are; national socialists.

'ignite the voluntary charity movement'; if that's not an oxymoron, i don't know what is.

IMHO, at the very least, you're a blind obama-bot...at worst, you need this little guy to eat your brains:bunchies:
or maybe a whole herd:bunchies::bunchies::bunchies::bunchies::bunchies:

 

[Expatriate]

Eskimoranger, I disagree vehemently that Ron Paul ever wanted to do something like this. It's unconstitutional, it's bad for freedom, and it's bad for the economy.

Check this comment out, I think it makes a great point:

Comment by Kevin on 9 November 2008:
To the people saying “well its kids just doing some good community service”.

But think, 100 hours per year is 2 weeks of full work (at normal working hours), and if you add up the amount of kids doing it all across the nation, it will be making them into free slave laborers.

And they will bump out people who would have normally been paid to do the same job, people that desperately needed that money to pay for their family to eat and survive.

I am strongly opposed to this idea. How about they hire people that need jobs to do these jobs instead of using our kids for free. Bunch of crooks!

Add to this the probability that Obama will raise taxes and it starts to look ugly.
Now do you still think it's a good idea?

 

[eskimoranger]

Lol

uh, actually that's exactly what they are; national socialists.

'ignite the voluntary charity movement'; if that's not an oxymoron, i don't know what is.

IMHO, at the very least, you're a blind obama-bot...at worst, you need this little guy to eat your brains:bunchies:
or maybe a whole herd:bunchies::bunchies::bunchies::bunchies::bunchies:

LOL you are not qualified to label me.

Ron Paul did charity work (in clinics for the less fortunate) during his O.B. days. He did it because he believes in moral duties. However, he made no demands to others that they also ought to do something similar. AFAIK neither does Obama. He simply expresses his support.

This Obama-paranoia amuses me. Supporting an idea does not mean that one automatically supports every other person with that preference. Remember when those neo-nazis sent some money to Ron and he refused to send it back? Well if you don't here is a refresher: Ron Paul Owns Neil Cavuto

 

[Cinderella]

This Obama-paranoia amuses me. Supporting an idea does not mean that one automatically supports every other person with that preference. Remember when those neo-nazis sent some money to Ron and he refused to send it back? Well if you don't here is a refresher: Ron Paul Owns Neil Cavuto

troll


enjoy ur slavery

 

[shuffleproshaq]

I thought the policy was that if a college student voluntarily decided to do 100 hours of community service that they would get $4000 for college. How is that slavery?

 

[eskimoranger]

Eskimoranger, I disagree vehemently that Ron Paul ever wanted to do something like this.

Well I vehemently disagree with you. Ron Paul has expressed his support to grassroots initiatives more than once. Hell, this whole movement around Ron Paul is voluntary community service. Grassroots in other words. We are doing our best to make this world a better place, voluntarily. Or are you getting paid to support liberty or god forbid, coerced into posting at this forum? I would be really surprised if that was the case.

It's unconstitutional, it's bad for freedom, and it's bad for the economy.

You mean it is against the Law for me to pick up garbage and put it into a trashcan if I want the streets to look better? How can a call to voluntary action be unconstitutional as long there is no punishment for not participating? You speak nonsense.

I do not see why voluntary action would be bad for freedom and bad for economy. Your position looks a bit strange (to put it mildly). The whole thing is voluntary. VOLUNTARY. Do you understand the meaning of this word? It means no coercion and no compensation. And if you get $4000 credit for 100 hours of voluntary service, it's actually a job.

Check this comment out, I think it makes a great point:

This comment is cleary missing the point that the whole thing is VOLUNTARY. Again. Or should I spell it out for you for it to sink in?

Add to this the probability that Obama will raise taxes and it starts to look ugly.
Now do you still think it's a good idea?

I was talking about voluntary action, not taxes. I have no idea what Obama's real plans regarding the taxes are and I seriously doubt that he will (or can) implement his campaign promises.

As a sidenote -- the only way to run public services is either promoting voluntary community work or taxing. Want good highways? Pay taxes or pick up a shovel. Want a good army? Pay taxes or pick up a gun. You can't have the cake and eat it too. Of course, Obama's camp thinks that the public sphere ought to be big. Ron wants the opposite.

 

[SnappleLlama]

Who's going to pay for that deduction on college tuition?

 

[eskimoranger]

obviously

Who's going to pay for that deduction on college tuition?

The taxpayers. In return they receive the benefits coming from a particular service. Of course, that implies the community service in question results in something useful or valuable for the taxpayers who are paying the bill.

 

[SnappleLlama]

The taxpayers. In return they receive the benefits coming from a particular service. Of course, that implies the community service in question resulting in something useful or valuable for the taxpayers that are paying for it.

What if we don't want to pay for it?