Obama will REQUIRE community service -- PLEASE DIGG

[werdd]

<li><a href="/... Read Moreamericaserves/plan">Service Plan</a></li>



<li><a href="/americaserves/serve">Find a Way to Serve</a></li>


previously pointed out, and a good catch.

SERVE!

 

[Agent CSL]

Has anyone noticed the language has changed on that page?

This is what the original post copied



and this is what it is now

Wooooooooooooooooow. That's low. And we are the only ones who may have witnessed it, at that.

 

[thomaspaine23]

hmmm, I can't seem to upload images nor pull them from links....

I had some time to kill so I thought I'd make some gimp images (as my community service of course)

they are all here:

http://newlibertarian.blogspot.com/

 

[austinchick]

They had mandatory community service in former Soviet Union.....

 

[mconder]

OMG!!! Obama is already at the memory hole game. Read the original link again...they have removed the word REQUIRE. Now they are just calling it a goal.

http://change.gov/americaserves

 

[thomaspaine23]

okay lets try this again.

Here is my "community service"

 

[emergent order]

Everyone read what libertarian4321 posted

Okay, folks. Put down the torches and pitchforks for a second and read the web site thomaspaine provided:

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

The $4k credit if for college students who do 100 hours community service. Its VOLUNTARY. You want money for college, this is a great way to get it. If not, don't do it.

The HS service program will be a series of guidelines. Nothing "mandatory" here, either. Looks like it will be left up to the school to decide (many schools already do this now, and have for decades).

Also, no "mandatory" service for adults. No labor camps, no conscription, no concentration camps.

The whole thing is voluntary. You can stop with the fantasies of Gulags, slavery, and the end of the world as we know it.

Guess I wasn't so crazy after all for asking you folks to tone down the level of hysteria after all.

I know, I'm no fun...

People, do your homework.
Don't be so eager to rebel that you take major leaps to irrational exaggerations.

 

[AmericasLastHope]

I e-mailed my family of neocons and this was my father's reply...

I think it is a great idea one that we all would have benefitted from. I believe our nation would be stonger for it.

I think when you graduate from high school or maybe the summer before you graduate some kind of boot camp experience and then when you graduate you either join the millitary or work for a non profit for a period of time durring the summer if you choose to go to college or if not full time for a period of time. It would give some the chance to mature and figure out what is important in life.. Sort of like what [your brother] is doing now. You could get a stipend of some kind.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Comments?

 

[OferNave]

The Truth About Voting - Yay Obama!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB6uQcGo60I

 

[Joseph Hart]

http://www.change.gov/page/s/application



What's PTT.gov?

http://www.ptt.gov.tr/en/

 

[werdd]

haha require has been reworded to "setting a goal"

 

[V3n]

haha require has been reworded to "setting a goal"

I saw the re-write this morning when I was showing my GF the page. Now my question is "Why the re-write"?

A. He had a change of heart and thought it was too strong of a word.
B. He changed his mind when he saw the backlash from the people.
C. He changed his mind because he thought it was an unrealistic goal.
D. Nothing's changed but the wording - it's still a "REQUIREMENT" he's just not going to talk about it.

I'm guessing D, but we'll see. It still says "REQUIRE" on the Agenda\Service page.

http://change.gov/agenda/service/

Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama and Biden will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.

(quoting it today in case it changes tomorrow)

 

[libertarian4321]

No, my roommate said that her younger sister has been required to do community service for her school also.. pre-Obama.. but this is a FEDERAL MANDATE so it is much worse.

I had to do it back in the 1970s at a public school.

Thats waaaay pre-Obama.

 

[torchbearer]

I had to do it back in the 1970s at a public school.

Thats waaaay pre-Obama.

A few schools doing this locally is not as obscene as a federal mandate to make the entire nation do it.
The idea of federalism was to have 50 competing governmental ideas... so those that were stupid would lose out to those that were superior.
We have one national government and 50 wards to that power.
The federal government owns your body... your children that come from that body, all the fruits of the labor that comes from that body, and thus can control what that body ingest, what that body contracts with other bodies... etc.
This is slavery, and that is not hyperbole.

 

[libertarian4321]

People, do your homework.
Don't be so eager to rebel that you take major leaps to irrational exaggerations.

I think we too often suffer from the "lets get angry and DO SOMETHING!" syndrome.

Far too often in the past 1.5+ years, I've seen RP supporters willing to "take action", but not sit down, think, and PLAN that action, it was always just "LETS DO IT!" and people went shooting off in all directions, with pretty predictable results.

If we don't take the time to make sure we know what we are talking about, then make a rational plan to fight the problem, we will never succeed.

Enthusiasm is good, but directionless enthusiasm is nearly useless. Enthusiasm spent fighting a problem that isn't really a problem, is completely wasted.

 

[Eleutheros]

I think we too often suffer from the "lets get angry and DO SOMETHING!" syndrome.

Far too often in the past 1.5+ years, I've seen RP supporters willing to "take action", but not sit down, think, and PLAN that action, it was always just "LETS DO IT!" and people went shooting off in all directions, with pretty predictable results.

If we don't take the time to make sure we know what we are talking about, then make a rational plan to fight the problem, we will never succeed.

Enthusiasm is good, but directionless enthusiasm is nearly useless. Enthusiasm spent fighting a problem that isn't really a problem, is completely wasted.

+1776

What you have described I refer to as the "Smash and Grab" mentality.

 

[libertarian4321]

A few schools doing this locally is not as obscene as a federal mandate to make the entire nation do it.

This is slavery, and that is not hyperbole.

Well, there is no Federal mandate, nor does the information sheet in any way state that there will be a mandate.

Why don't we wait and see what actually happens before we go off half cocked?

I'm not in favor of the Federal government setting the curriculum at local schools. However, even if this did become a Federal requirement (there is zero evidence at this point that this is even planned), I just don't think this comes anywhere near the top of the list of my grievances against the Federal government.

If you think any Federal requirement that takes up some of your kid's time is "slavery", you're too late, they are already forced to take exams required by the Feds. Is that "slavery" too because they are forced to sit through an exam for 3 hours (or whatever it is)?

Or is the term "slavery" a wild over characterization?

Slavery is when you have no free will, are owned by someone else, and are forced to do their bidding all the time, for the rest of your life, with the threat of violent punishment or death if you disobey. They can do anything they want to you at any time and suffer no consequences.

I don't think making little Johnny work for the charity of his choice for less than an hour a week quite rises to that level.

From the way you talk, you consider forcing little Johnny to attend class (required for every child under the age of 16) to be "slavery." Why aren't you grabbing your torch and pitchfork and storming your local school building?

Is your problem not with the "slavery", just that its Federal "slavery" instead of local "slavery?"

 

[Theocrat]

Obama Requires Community Service of Us All. Why?

Because yes, we can.

 

[PlzPeopleWakeUp]

nt

 

[jrich4rpaul]

They reworded the page. To cover their own asses?