Obama will REQUIRE community service -- PLEASE DIGG

[libertarian4321]

What is "libertarian" about Obama's plan for involuntary servitude? Please explain fully.

The government passes "non libertarian" measures every day.

It has done so for decades.

I don't agree with these measures, but it doesn't mean that:

We are "slaves."

The Republic will collapse.

The "world as we know it" will end ended.

I know its not fashionable to try and tamp down the hysteria on these boards, but there are plenty of people going nuts- is it really that terrible to have someone come out and say that its not the end of the world?

How about a compromise. When this becomes a requirement (right now, its nothing more than a paragraph on a website), then you can grab your torch and pitchfork and run into the street screaming.

No one has been hauled off to the Gulag (or whatever you folks are envisioning) just yet...

 

[TruckinMike]

If y'all haven't seen this interview with G Edward Griffin and the Soviet Press agent (a KGB front organization), then do so now. It will explain all of Obamma's intentions concerning the _____Corps.

The Interview

Its all about indoctrination, conditioning, and control. If you start them young enough, you can own them by time they are old enough to vote.

TMike

 

[thomaspaine23]

The government passes "non libertarian" measures every day.

It has done so for decades.

I don't agree with these measures, but it doesn't mean that:

We are "slaves."

The Republic will collapse.

The "world as we know it" will end ended.

I know its not fashionable to try and tamp down the hysteria on these boards, but there are plenty of people going nuts- is it really that terrible to have someone come out and say that its not the end of the world?

How about a compromise. When this becomes a requirement (right now, its nothing more than a paragraph on a website), then you can grab your torch and pitchfork and run into the street screaming.

No one has been hauled off to the Gulag (or whatever you folks are envisioning) just yet...

Well, it's a paragraph off two sites,

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/service/

"Integrate service into learning:
Obama and Biden will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year, and will establish a new tax credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.
"

notice the two can be mutually exclusive sentences....

Now I'm not saying they'll haul people off to the gulag, but the 50 hours has nothing to do with the tax credit.

 

[torchbearer]

Its all about indoctrination, conditioning, and control. If you start them young enough, you can own them by time they are old enough to vote.

TMike

That reminds me of something I learned growing up.
I had a cockitu(spelling?). Basically a caged bird. Born caged to a caged mother who was caged.
His wings were clipped as a youth. And he was content with the food i gave him
He was content with his cage.
He didn't know what it was to be able to fly or fly freely in the world.
But he seemed very content.

I also liked trapping animals. I developed a bird trap. Using crushed corn and my contraption, i trapped a cardinal.
A beautiful male. And I put this bird in a cage.
Guess what happened?
Within a day that bird had killed itself by banging itself into the bars until it was dead.

If you are born into captivity and have never experienced true freedom, you will be happy with your cage.

 

[torchbearer]

You can never truly capture a wild thing.

 

[SnappleLlama]

That reminds me of something I learned growing up.
I had a cockitu(spelling?). Basically a caged bird. Born caged to a caged mother who was caged.
His wings were clipped as a youth. And he was happy with the food i gave him
He was happy with his cage.
He didn't know what it was to be able to fly or fly freely in the world.
But he seemed very happy.

I also liked trapping animals. I developed a bird trap. Using crushed corn and my contraption, i trapped a cardinal.
A beautiful male. And I put this bird in a cage.
Guess what happened?
Within a day that bird had killed itself by banging itself into the bars until it was dead.

If you are born into captivity and have never experienced true freedom, you will be happy with your cage.

You're a poet. Nice analogy!

 

[MikeStanart]

IRONY

One step forward: An "African American" being elected
Another step back: Citizens being put into slavery.



lol.... obviously thats a tad extreme.... but its still funny.

 

[american.swan]

http://www.change.gov/page/s/application



What's PTT.gov?

I don't really know, but I'll guess it's PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION TEAM.

 

[libertarian4321]

Well, it's a paragraph off two sites,

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/service/

"Integrate service into learning:
Obama and Biden will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year, and will establish a new tax credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.
"

notice the two can be mutually exclusive sentences....

Now I'm not saying they'll haul people off to the gulag, but the 50 hours has nothing to do with the tax credit.

Well, first off, it says a "goal", not a law. That was my point initially, we know NOTHING about the implementation- whether its a "goal" (e.g. like the old "thousand points of light") where the President encourages something, or if its forced by law.

BTW, I LOVE the idea of a $4k tax credit for 100 hours community service- a "credit" is a straight tax reduction (far better than a tax "deduction"). That makes each hour of "community service" worth $40- more than most people make working. Plus, I already do more than that anyway, so for me, this would save $4k in taxes.

I doubt this will fly, though- if they did, too many people would take the credit, and the govt. would lose a ton of tax revenue.

 

[thomaspaine23]

Well, here is more info:

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

Looks like its your school gets federal funding and you make your students serve....

"Schools that require service as part of the educational experience create improved learning environments and serve as resources for their communities.
The Obama-Biden plan sets a goal for all students to engage in service, with middle and high school students performing 50 hours of service each year"


"Service-Learning in Our Nation’s Schools: In November, Barack Obama laid out a comprehensive plan to provide all Americans with a world-class education and give our schools a substantial infusion of funds to support teachers and principals and improve student learning. That plan conditions that assistance on school districts developing programs to engage students in service opportunities. Obama and Biden believe that middle
and high school students should be expected to engage in community service for 50 hours annually during the school year or summer months."

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Only in America would we elect our first black president and have him immediately try to bring back slavery.

This is absolutely surreal! - when did we fall into the rabbit hole?

I can see he has as much contempt for the 13th amendment as as he has for the second.

The upside? - a lot of the youth vote and black vote that helped get him elected is going to become a bit more conservative... and he will hopefully not get re-elected for a second term.

-t

 

[ghengis86]

you are all over reacting.

we'll just wait until this becomes a requirement to protest it. every legislator will wake up and so will the people, right when that first law hits the house. don't worry about gradual conditioning or laying foundations. that's what happen in 30's germany and look how well that turned out!

 

[tropicangela]

I really want this to be a spoof site.

Can only the government register .gov?

 

[ghengis86]

OMG a tax credit! you mean the government is going to be so generous in letting me keep a little bit more of my own money?! i just have to 'volunteer' (sic) and i get to keep a little bit more of the fruits of my labor?! this is awesome! what else can I do to keep the money i earn?

 

[Kludge]

can the government force upon you such mandate? Isn't this pretty much a light version of a military draft?

"yes we can" is his slogan for a reason.

 

[thomaspaine23]

LOL wow that pdf is a great plan!

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf


"Expand to Meet Military Needs on the Ground: A major stress on our troops comes from insufficient ground forces. Barack Obama and Joe Biden support plans to increase the size of the Army by 65,000 troops and the Marines by 27,000 troops. Increasing our end strength will help units retrain and re-equip properly between deployments and decrease the strain on military families.

Solve Recruitment and Retention Problems: A nation of 300 million strong should not be struggling to find enough qualified citizens to serve. Recruiting and retention problems have been swept under the rug by lowering standards and using the “Stop Loss” program to keep our servicemen and women in the force after their enlistment has expired.

Even worse, the burdens of fixing these problems have been placed on the
shoulders of young recruiting sergeants, instead of leadership in Washington. America needs a leader who can inspire today’s youth to serve our nation the same way President Kennedy once did—reaching out to youth, as well as the parents, teachers, coaches, and community and religious leaders who influence them. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will make it a presidential imperative to restore the ethic of public service to the agenda of today’s youth, whether it be serving their local communities in such roles as teachers or first responders, or
serving in the military and reserve forces or diplomatic corps that keep our nation free and safe."


And this was the "peace" candidate?????

 

[ShowMeLiberty]

I seriously don't see how he can get this done. 1) People are generally tired and lazy after work or school 2) The draft doesn't work in America, and neither will this for the same reasons 3) This is not Israel, different culture, different values, different people.

Yeah, you'd think they couldn't pass the Patriot Act or the bailout either since those things are so un-American. But guess what...

I see a few problems with this:

1) It's unconstitutional by the 13th amendment. That's why they can give criminals community service sentences.
2) There will be a backlog of people all at once trying to work with a limited number of organizations. There are only so many service organizations to work with - unless he just makes a new executive department to find things to do. (probably will be the case)
3) What about poorer teens who need to have a PAYING job to help support their family? They would have no time for this.
4) I don't want to do it.
5) It's freaking scary that this might happen. I hope congress has enough dignity left to vote it down. Hell, for all we know, he'll try to bypass the congress altogether.

Logic will play no part in preventing this and the Democrat-led Congress will do Obama's bidding without batting an eye.

Our first black president and he decides to bring back slavery. You gotta love the irony.

If only it wasn't so sad...

Well, this is hardly a new or revolutionary idea.

My little High School made me do this almost 30 years ago. I'm sure lots of other schools already do this.

It was a requirement for graduation, just like chemistry, math, or Phys. Ed. You don't do the work, you don't graduate, simple as that.

It wasn't a big deal- a lot of people did really simple stuff, like painting the bleachers at the football field, planting trees, picking up litter, tutoring, stuff like that. Others did harder stuff like visiting old folks homes or volunteering at charity fundraisers. Almost anything useful would qualify. A lot of us who were already volunteering with other school and civic organizations (e.g. Boy Scouts), had the requirement done by the end of our freshman year.

50 hours over 4 years ain't much, folks. Basically, 1 or 2 Saturdays a year, and your done.

How does 1 or 2 Saturdays a year add up to 50 hours?

Well, here is more info:

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

Looks like its your school gets federal funding and you make your students serve....

"Schools that require service as part of the educational experience create improved learning environments and serve as resources for their communities.
The Obama-Biden plan sets a goal for all students to engage in service, with middle and high school students performing 50 hours of service each year"


"Service-Learning in Our Nation’s Schools: In November, Barack Obama laid out a comprehensive plan to provide all Americans with a world-class education and give our schools a substantial infusion of funds to support teachers and principals and improve student learning. That plan conditions that assistance on school districts developing programs to engage students in service opportunities. Obama and Biden believe that middle
and high school students should be expected to engage in community service for 50 hours annually during the school year or summer months."

My god, talk about No Child Left Behind!!

 

[dwdollar]

The government passes "non libertarian" measures every day.

It has done so for decades.

I don't agree with these measures, but it doesn't mean that:

We are "slaves."

The Republic will collapse.

The "world as we know it" will end ended.

I know its not fashionable to try and tamp down the hysteria on these boards, but there are plenty of people going nuts- is it really that terrible to have someone come out and say that its not the end of the world?

How about a compromise. When this becomes a requirement (right now, its nothing more than a paragraph on a website), then you can grab your torch and pitchfork and run into the street screaming.

No one has been hauled off to the Gulag (or whatever you folks are envisioning) just yet...

You probably didn't see it, so I will ask again.

Where is your line? Will you stand up and fight if it's crossed? I am curious.

I think it's important that we all have a line that's defined. How else will we know when it's time to fight?

 

[Zera]

$4000 for community services sounds pretty good to me, honestly. But again, like I said before, it's best to wait for all the information is received before a big commotion is made. The website was just launched with some vague plans, come on now.

 

[thomaspaine23]

$4000 for community services sounds pretty good to me, honestly. But again, like I said before, it's best to wait for all the information is received before a big commotion is made. The website was just launched with some vague plans, come on now.

Well, here is his plan, via pdf

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf