Obama will REQUIRE community service -- PLEASE DIGG

mconder said:
Your going to love this...it has already been adopted at my daughter's school. She is required to serve. Also, the service hours my daughter does for my church does not count. Only our completed serving at someone else's church count for service. For instant, if my daughter wants paint the church, she can not paint her own church, she has to paint someone else's church. Even if my church decided to do a community service project that did not benefit itself in anyway (which it often does), my daughter would not get credit because she is serving in her own church organization. Can you freaking believe this?!!! I should get some supreme court action going on this B.S.!
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Thanks for the report mconder -- I'm curious what exactly you were told and by whom (teacher, admin, principal?) We're the specifically referring to the Obama plan?

Thanks!
 
There's NO WAY a lot of students will be able to complete 100 hours of community service. For example, I am taking over 20 credits next semester, with 30 hours of tutoring, which I am volunteering for. That is my limit - I couldn't imagine doing another 70 hours and have it NOT affect my overall grade. I am taking 19 now, but this is my hardest semester - with only 4-5 weeks left of school I have 17 hours of tutoring in. I have to bring up two of my grades. To ask 100 hours of a college student is ridiculous!

Could this be contributing to the dumbing down of America? It's going to be a damn shame when a student picks 'forced volunteering' over studying and passing a final exam, just because of the added pressure which I am sure will decide if you get financial aid or not...

I am truly pissed off. As students now, we experience enough economic pressure to be successful in everything we do - and now, if this happens, we have to learn how to cope with adding 100 hours into our already stressful schedule. No thanks, Obama.
 
So we have General Education requirements, like Science, Math, etc., at many colleges. What will this be...the "Good Citizen Requirement?"
 
mconder said:
Your going to love this...it has already been adopted at my daughter's school. .........Can you freaking believe this?!!! I should get some supreme court action going on this B.S.!
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I was curious if it has been decided in the courts yet. My kids are coming up on High School, and the public school system here requires community service for the diploma.

I am considering a court fight about it, just on principle.
 
This is a direct violation of the 13th ammendment, the same ammendment that makes his ass not a slave still.

No involuntary servititude or slavery, unless convicted of a crime.

The ammendment is very clear, it would be hard to loosely interpret that.

He would either have to revoke, or modify the 13th to get this load of crap done.

Wouldnt put it past him, communist.
 
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give.me.liberty said:
There's NO WAY a lot of students will be able to complete 100 hours of community service. For example, I am taking over 20 credits next semester, with 30 hours of tutoring, which I am volunteering for. That is my limit - I couldn't imagine doing another 70 hours and have it NOT affect my overall grade. I am taking 19 now, but this is my hardest semester - with only 4-5 weeks left of school I have 17 hours of tutoring in. I have to bring up two of my grades. To ask 100 hours of a college student is ridiculous!

Could this be contributing to the dumbing down of America? It's going to be a damn shame when a student picks 'forced volunteering' over studying and passing a final exam, just because of the added pressure which I am sure will decide if you get financial aid or not...

I am truly pissed off. As students now, we experience enough economic pressure to be successful in everything we do - and now, if this happens, we have to learn how to cope with adding 100 hours into our already stressful schedule. No thanks, Obama.
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Don't forget the paying job you would also need in order to enjoy the $4,000 tax credit/refund/ripoff.
 
werdd said:
This is a direct violation of the 13th ammendment, the same ammendment that makes his ass not a slave still.

No involuntary servititude or slavery, unless convicted of a crime.

The ammendment is very clear, it would be hard to loosely interpret that.

He would either have to revoke, or modify the 13th to get this load of crap done.

Wouldnt put it past him, communist.
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i agree with you on principle, but in order to better understand our response, what will our enemy say? won't they just say its voluntary and that if you don't want the tax credit, don't comply with the program? I know, I know its not voluntary, but won't the opposing side say, yes it is? how do you logically argue that? That by not enrolling in the program one is put at a significant disadvantage as far as which, if any, schooling they can afford?

i'm totally against this, but we should shape our argument with good examples and reasons.
 
Bryan said:
Thanks for the report mconder -- I'm curious what exactly you were told and by whom (teacher, admin, principal?) We're the specifically referring to the Obama plan?

Thanks!
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No, my roommate said that her younger sister has been required to do community service for her school also.. pre-Obama.. but this is a FEDERAL MANDATE so it is much worse.
 
werdd said:
This is a direct violation of the 13th ammendment, the same ammendment that makes his ass not a slave still.

No involuntary servititude or slavery, unless convicted of a crime.

The ammendment is very clear, it would be hard to loosely interpret that.

He would either have to revoke, or modify the 13th to get this load of crap done.

Wouldnt put it past him, communist.
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OR, he could just IGNORE the 13th amendment, in much the same way that our entire federal goverment ignores the rest of the Constitution.
 
jm1776 said:
Don't forget the paying job you would also need in order to enjoy the $4,000 tax credit/refund/ripoff.
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someone pointed this out earlier; a tax credit implies you've paid a tax (already of dubious legality). then you 'volunteer' i.e. work a second time, to get that money back. what a crock of shit...and what is you work, but don't pay more than $4,000k in taxes; do you get a refund check?
 
Oh my gosh - I just realized - this is the national version of the Chicago political machine. In that city, if and only if you volunteer for the DNC can you get a cushy government job.
 
ghengis86 said:
someone pointed this out earlier; a tax credit implies you've paid a tax (already of dubious legality). then you 'volunteer' i.e. work a second time, to get that money back. what a crock of shit...and what is you work, but don't pay more than $4,000k in taxes; do you get a refund check?
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The $4,000 is largely illusional - put there to sell the slavery. Most students make nothing to little, so their taxes would be offset by the - what is it - $2,300 or so dollar write off everyone gets long before the promise of keeping any of that $4,000 credit is in reach.

Students that would get the benefit of that $4,000 are probably well enough off / have good paying jobs so that they don't need it. The ones that need it for their education will never see it. Cute catch 22.

Ironic that Russia is becoming more democratic every day while we are becoming more communist.

-t
 
Maverick said:
Does anyone remember the youth Spies organization from 1984?

How long do you figure it'll take for Obama's plan to turn into that?
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Does someone wanna photoshop Obama's face in there instead of Hitlers?

-t
 
dannno said:
No, my roommate said that her younger sister has been required to do community service for her school also.. pre-Obama.. but this is a FEDERAL MANDATE so it is much worse.
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Ya...well my daughter only has to do 10 hours per year right now. I think they are getting them primed.
 
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