Obama calls for agreement on gun reforms

[Freedom 4 all]

"I totally support the second amendment. I'm only going to grab guns from people who fit my vague, arbitrary criteria."

 

[Acala]

violence

While I am an advocate gun ownership, do any of you guys believe that the gun manufacturers have any responsibility in producing firearms that are not as easy as operating a video game joy stick? I don't believe in enacting more laws but I think many of the 'proud' NRA tooting members I have encountered in my life are also alarming ignorant of the nature of human nature. The inner city thug and the backwoods racist hick are often cut from the same mold in terms of their propensity towards violence.... thus it is no wonder how their women and children most often end up as recipients of their violent tendencies. It is easier to fire a handgun than open a bottle of children's vitamins in this country. I think that is pathetic. I don't want more laws... rather, I'd like to see citizens and corporations more conscious. Responsible gun owners should not be an oxymoron to the liberals and yet it is understandable why that is the case. It would be nice to see gun owners advocate for production of weapons designed for safe and boycott those that make cheap killing machines. And is there a point at which a gun is more than just self-defense? I think it is pretty sick to 'love' guns... it is right up there with dictators who 'love' weapons of mass destruction. While guns are necessary, they are a necessarily evil and are designed to for the purpose of killing. That is a responsibility many in our culture cannot handle... particularly mentally unstable people and child. I suggest reading the book the Gift of Fear and how it relates to violence in our society. Just playing devil's advocate here... I don't support any president enacting more laws on anything including guns but many of the gun manufacturers in this country are not not any higher on the conscience scale than the banking corps or health ins corps. They all play into our unconcscious fears... is there a line where we regardless of govt involvement say we wish to create a more civilized and conscious society that understands human nature's propensity towards violence? With great freedom, comes great responsibility.

Violence is a software problem, not a hardware problem.

Our nation is steeped in violence. The essence of our government is violence. Our foreign policy is violence. Every law, fee, tax, and regulation is enforced with the threat of violence. Our entertainment is about 80% raw violence. Our schools are based on violence. We live and breath violence. We bring our children up in it. And the politicians who weep over a killing here and there are, in fact, nothing less than mass murderers on a global scale.

But you think the violence in our society is due to some defect in machinery? You are mistaken.

 

[Pericles]

Violence is a software problem, not a hardware problem.

Our nation is steeped in violence. The essence of our government is violence. Our foreign policy is violence. Every law, fee, tax, and regulation is enforced with the threat of violence. Our entertainment is about 80% raw violence. Our schools are based on violence. We live and breath violence. We bring our children up in it. And the politicians who weep over a killing here and there are, in fact, nothing less than mass murderers on a global scale.

But you think the violence in our society is due to some defect in machinery? You are mistaken.

That ^^^ Any reasonable person would conclude that a certain amount of violence is a certainty, and plan accordingly.

 

[pcosmar]

do any of you guys believe that the gun manufacturers have any responsibility in producing firearms that are not as easy as operating a video game joy stick?

It would be nice to see gun owners advocate for production of weapons designed for safe and boycott those that make cheap killing machines.

Gun Manufacturers???
You obviously know absolutely nothing about guns. I am old fashioned, I still like Sam Colt's "Peacemaker" And John Moses Browning's designs. Both the most copied handguns in existence. The only changes to them in the last hundred years was in the area of safety.

And is there a point at which a gun is more than just self-defense? I think it is pretty sick to 'love' guns..

I am mechanically inclined. A HotRodder and Fabricator. I have an appreciation for mechanical design and an interest in innovation. I know many collect guns of historical value. For others it is aesthetics.
The present laws have stifled that, and have put several good manufacturers out of business.

Add to that, of the many millions of guns in existence in this country and the several millions of gun owners I would say that both safety and responsibility are already practiced.

 

[A. Havnes]

"Every single day, America is robbed of more futures. It has awful consequences for our society. And as a society, we have a responsibility to do everything we can to put a stop to it," he wrote.

I want to hear this line when he speaks about the wonderful people in federal reserve

Or the IRS.

Note how he said, "as a society..." which doesn't mean government. I think Obama is a little confused. Society means teaching our kids not to point guns at people and using proper judgement when deciding if your kid is ready for a gun or if a gun would just lead to a disaster. It is not for the government to say, "Well, said person has ADD. You know, a 'disease' with no biological cause in the brain as far as our science can tell, but it disqualifies him anyway." It is for us to teach our kids about guns.

On that note, notice that it's really only been since the widespread use of psychiatric drugs that we even have these messed up stories of school shooters and whatnot.

I'm just going to stop before I start ranting...

 

[pcosmar]

On that note, notice that it's really only been since the widespread use of psychiatric drugs that we even have these messed up stories of school shooters and whatnot.

I'm just going to stop before I start ranting...

That is a whole nuther deep, dark and ugly rabbit hole. Following that trail is not for the faint of heart.

 

[IBleedNavyAndOrange]

...teaching our kids not to point guns at people and using proper judgement when deciding if your kid is ready for a gun ....

It is for us to teach our kids about guns.

I cannot even imagine the consequences of touching any of my dads firearms without his permission when I was young.
And to fire one without permission?!
Jail / prison would have been a much better alternative for me.

Perhaps the government sponsored break-up of the family would reduce gang violence.

 

[AFPVet]

To some, firearms are simply tools; however, to others, they are artistic pieces which are to be admired. Firearm collectors may never fire their weapons—but they admire their beauty and fine craftsmanship which is shared with other weapons such as swords.